William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

Would seeing a united Germany under either the Austrians or under the Bavarians be interesting? Or would a north and south Germany be more interesting?

If it's the North and South option how would the two nations form (military expeditions ala OTL or diplomacy) and would Austria join in or remain seperate?
 
Would seeing a united Germany under either the Austrians or under the Bavarians be interesting? Or would a north and south Germany be more interesting?

An union of Germany under Bavaria is highly implausible because they have not a great contrast with Habsburg (who is needed for an united Germany under a different ruler).
I will say to go with the united Germany (who will include also Austria and Bohemia) under the Habsburgs
 
An union of Germany under Bavaria is highly implausible because they have not a great contrast with Habsburg (who is needed for an united Germany under a different ruler).
I will say to go with the united Germany (who will include also Austria and Bohemia) under the Habsburgs
Interesting and Hungary?
 
Interesting and Hungary?
Hungary and Italy will either be lost, given to relatives or keept in personal union (with the latest as the most unlikely)...
For Hungary I can think to a not pacific split (here Austria will not have a pro-Hungary Empress, right?) and Austria in the end accept that unwilling and only under the condition who the new King will be an Austrian Archduke...
Italy can either stay or be given to the Grand Duke of Tuscany or another Archduke

In the case of a northen and southern German kingdoms Austria and Bohemia will be almost surely included in the second one
 
Hungary and Italy will either be lost, given to relatives or keept in personal union (with the latest as the most unlikely)...
For Hungary I can think to a not pacific split (here Austria will not have a pro-Hungary Empress, right?) and Austria in the end accept that unwilling and only under the condition who the new King will be an Austrian Archduke...
Italy can either stay or be given to the Grand Duke of Tuscany or another Archduke

In the case of a northen and southern German kingdoms Austria and Bohemia will be almost surely included in the second one
Agreed there. Perhaps the palatinate of Hungary is made king of Hungary
 
Maybew him but is likely an Archduke more closely related to the Emperor of Austria than him (like a younger son, younger brother, nephew)

Either a member of the Tuscan Branch or the Duke of Teschen? As with what we agreed on they're the closest living relatives at the moment, other than the Palatinate branch
 
Either a member of the Tuscan Branch or the Duke of Teschen? As with what we agreed on they're the closest living relatives at the moment, other than the Palatinate branch
Forgotten that. Either Teschen or the Palatine then and considering they are related to the Emperor in the same manner plus Teschen has big lands in Bohemia the Palatine will be the new King of Hungary
 
Forgotten that. Either Teschen or the Palatine then and considering they are related to the Emperor in the same manner plus Teschen has big lands in Bohemia the Palatine will be the new King of Hungary

Agreed, Palatinate as King of Hungary seems good, and might actually please the Hungarians, considerijng they were pissed the Emperor never was in Hungary that often.

So Austria ruling over Austria, Bohemia, Slovenia, and SOuthern Germany? That's going to lead to war at some point.
 
Agreed, Palatinate as King of Hungary seems good, and might actually please the Hungarians, considerijng they were pissed the Emperor never was in Hungary that often.

So Austria ruling over Austria, Bohemia, Slovenia, and SOuthern Germany? That's going to lead to war at some point.

With regards to the first point, an additional way to make Franz Karl/ Franz Josef ok with letting go of Hungary (depending on who's emperor at the time) is by either having Karl's heir Albert marry Franz Karl's daughter Maria Theresa (who's only 2 years younger than Albert's OTL bride Hildegard) or having the eldest son of Albert & Hildegard marry a daughter of Franz Josef

With regards to war, maybe Bohemia decides to go the way of Hungary with the Habsburg's time being spread even thinner giving them less attention?
 
With regards to the first point, an additional way to make Franz Karl/ Franz Josef ok with letting go of Hungary (depending on who's emperor at the time) is by either having Karl's heir Albert marry Franz Karl's daughter Maria Theresa (who's only 2 years younger than Albert's OTL bride Hildegard) or having the eldest son of Albert & Hildegard marry a daughter of Franz Josef

With regards to war, maybe Bohemia decides to go the way of Hungary with the Habsburg's time being spread even thinner giving them less attention?

Hmm interesting, seeing Albert marrying Maria Theresa would be good. Of course, would Bohemia go it's own way, if it's including in the Southern German union, as there were a fair amount of Germans in the region at the time.
 
Hmm interesting, seeing Albert marrying Maria Theresa would be good. Of course, would Bohemia go it's own way, if it's including in the Southern German union, as there were a fair amount of Germans in the region at the time.
Good point with regards to Bohemia.

As for Albert and Maria Theresa let's assume they married in 1844 (when Albert married Hildegard and Maria Theresa is 17) here's a potential kid list
  1. Princess Maria Henrietta b. 1845
  2. Crown Prince Stephen b. 1848
  3. Princess Maria Anna b. 1853
  4. Prince Karl b. 1858
  5. Princess Maria Theresia b. 1859
  6. Prince Franz b. 1862
  7. Princess Maria Mathilda b. 1865
Here we have 3 boys to sure up the succession and 4 girls to use for alliance purposes. I assume the eldest son will be called Stephen in honor of St. Stephen, and one of the girls might be married to an Archduke cousin (in the time-honored tradition of Habsburg intermarriage) while using the other girls for new alliances (France, Belgium, Iberia, Italy, etc...)
 
Good point with regards to Bohemia.

As for Albert and Maria Theresa let's assume they married in 1844 (when Albert married Hildegard and Maria Theresa is 17) here's a potential kid list
  1. Princess Maria Henrietta b. 1845
  2. Crown Prince Stephen b. 1848
  3. Princess Maria Anna b. 1853
  4. Prince Karl b. 1858
  5. Princess Maria Theresia b. 1859
  6. Prince Franz b. 1862
  7. Princess Maria Mathilda b. 1865
Here we have 3 boys to sure up the succession and 4 girls to use for alliance purposes. I assume the eldest son will be called Stephen in honor of St. Stephen, and one of the girls might be married to an Archduke cousin (in the time-honored tradition of Habsburg intermarriage) while using the other girls for new alliances (France, Belgium, Iberia, Italy, etc...)
Agreed and I like it, I can see the Hungarians being relieved to have a king who actually lives there now
 
With regards to war, maybe Bohemia decides to go the way of Hungary with the Habsburg's time being spread even thinner giving them less attention?
Bohemia do not need to do that being at the time a fully integrated part of the HRE and like Austria a German possession of the house of Habsburg (and they were loyals to the Emperor). Austria and Bohemia will stay as the two personal possession of the King/Emperor in the new kingdom of Germany or South Germany (plus consider who like OTL all the other german rulers will stay on their thrones so the emperor will not be much more busy than OTL
 
Bohemia do not need to do that being at the time a fully integrated part of the HRE and like Austria a German possession of the house of Habsburg (and they were loyals to the Emperor). Austria and Bohemia will stay as the two personal possession of the King/Emperor in the new kingdom of Germany or South Germany (plus consider who like OTL all the other german rulers will stay on their thrones so the emperor will not be much more busy than OTL
What would a south Germany rule by Austria be called. And would it be more successful than north Germany?
 
For William IV of the Netherlands, how does Marie of Saxe Weimar Einsach sound?

She certainly will work as there seems to be a love of the Dutch marrying cousins. The only question is whether Willem III and (particularly) Louise would pick a relative political nobody when they could swing for the fences (I’m on mobile so I can’t see all the atl candidates, but I imagine Marie, while a safe choice, could be passed over for a high profile match with, say, Sophia of the United Kingdom.
 
She certainly will work as there seems to be a love of the Dutch marrying cousins. The only question is whether Willem III and (particularly) Louise would pick a relative political nobody when they could swing for the fences (I’m on mobile so I can’t see all the atl candidates, but I imagine Marie, while a safe choice, could be passed over for a high profile match with, say, Sophia of the United Kingdom.
Oh this is true and would be a nice double marriage
 
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