William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

Maybe he gets Austria on board with contesting the Prussian effort to conquer Hanover?

Hmm that could be good, if Hanover still decides to support Austria, considering it's George, Duke of Kent and Strathearn who would be King, not George V of otl
 
Hmm that could be good, if Hanover still decides to support Austria, considering it's George, Duke of Kent and Strathearn who would be King, not George V of otl
Or Austria presents its own candidate.....or its army does once occupying Hanover.....
 
Since the Oldenburg's are surviving, what matches will we see for Ferdinand's kids? In addition, Oscar I of Sweden's wedding to Josephine of Leuchtenburg is after the POD, so any chance that gets butterflied away, or will Josephine's French connections still carry her to Sweden?
 
Since the Oldenburg's are surviving, what matches will we see for Ferdinand's kids? In addition, Oscar I of Sweden's wedding to Josephine of Leuchtenburg is after the POD, so any chance that gets butterflied away, or will Josephine's French connections still carry her to Sweden?

Hmm I think her French connections could carry her to Sweden either way,
 
Since the Oldenburg's are surviving, what matches will we see for Ferdinand's kids? In addition, Oscar I of Sweden's wedding to Josephine of Leuchtenburg is after the POD, so any chance that gets butterflied away, or will Josephine's French connections still carry her to Sweden?
Though seeing him marry a Danish girl would be good. As for Ferdinand kids, I’m not sure, some suggestions would be great
 
Though seeing him marry a Danish girl would be good. As for Ferdinand kids, I’m not sure, some suggestions would be great

For Oscar, if not Josephine I think he probably marries either a Danish Oldenburg or maybe one of the younger Vasa girls (Amalia or Cecilia) to establish himself as Swedish rather then French (eldest sister Sophie marries a year before the POD so she's out)

As for Ferdinand and Caroline, here's a potential kid list (bold means survives), for the sake of this ATL we should probably push up the date of Caroline and Ferdinand's marriage, given she was 36 at the time of her marriage, which likely affected fertility. Instead, let's say they marry in 1821 when Caroline is 28.
  1. Princess Marie Sophie b. 1825
  2. Princess Sophia Vilhelmina b. 1826
  3. Princess Caroline Frederica b. 1829
  4. Princess Frederica Louise b. 1830
  5. Prince Christian Ferdinand b. 1831
In this scenario, Christian is likely the right age for a Swedish daughter of Oscar I (whether it be OTL daughter Eugenie or an ATL sister via either Josephine or a Vasa girl). As the only boy he also probably marries his betrothed asap in hopes to secure the succession.

Possible brides include (based on OTL) in no particular order
  1. A daughter of Oscar I (either Eugenie or an ATL sister)
  2. A surviving Alexandra Mikhailovna (b. 1831)
  3. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (1831)
  4. Princess Helena of Nassau (1831) (OTL mother of the Waldeck- Pyrmont sisters Helena and Emma)
  5. Princess Adelaide Marie of Anhalt Dessau (OTL Grand Duchess of Luxembourg) (1833)
  6. Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge (OTL mother of Mary of Teck) (1833)
  7. Princess Carola of Vasa (daughter of Vasa Crown Prince, converted to Catholicism IOTL) (1833)
  8. Princess Alexandra of Saxe Altenburg (1830) (OTL mother of Queen Olga of Greece)
  9. Princess Amalia of Saxe Weimar Eisenach (1830)
  10. Princess Caroline of Schleswig Holstein (1833)
  11. Princess Louise of Prussia (1829)
  12. OTL men being born as girls
  13. ATL sisters of OTL figures
  14. Products of ATL couples that I haven't remembered
 
For Oscar, if not Josephine I think he probably marries either a Danish Oldenburg or maybe one of the younger Vasa girls (Amalia or Cecilia) to establish himself as Swedish rather then French (eldest sister Sophie marries a year before the POD so she's out)

As for Ferdinand and Caroline, here's a potential kid list (bold means survives), for the sake of this ATL we should probably push up the date of Caroline and Ferdinand's marriage, given she was 36 at the time of her marriage, which likely affected fertility. Instead, let's say they marry in 1821 when Caroline is 28.
  1. Princess Marie Sophie b. 1825
  2. Princess Sophia Vilhelmina b. 1826
  3. Princess Caroline Frederica b. 1829
  4. Princess Frederica Louise b. 1830
  5. Prince Christian Ferdinand b. 1831
In this scenario, Christian is likely the right age for a Swedish daughter of Oscar I (whether it be OTL daughter Eugenie or an ATL sister via either Josephine or a Vasa girl). As the only boy he also probably marries his betrothed asap in hopes to secure the succession.

Possible brides include (based on OTL) in no particular order
  1. A daughter of Oscar I (either Eugenie or an ATL sister)
  2. A surviving Alexandra Mikhailovna (b. 1831)
  3. Princess Charlotte of Prussia (1831)
  4. Princess Helena of Nassau (1831) (OTL mother of the Waldeck- Pyrmont sisters Helena and Emma)
  5. Princess Adelaide Marie of Anhalt Dessau (OTL Grand Duchess of Luxembourg) (1833)
  6. Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge (OTL mother of Mary of Teck) (1833)
  7. Princess Carola of Vasa (daughter of Vasa Crown Prince, converted to Catholicism IOTL) (1833)
  8. Princess Alexandra of Saxe Altenburg (1830) (OTL mother of Queen Olga of Greece)
  9. Princess Amalia of Saxe Weimar Eisenach (1830)
  10. Princess Caroline of Schleswig Holstein (1833)
  11. Princess Louise of Prussia (1829)
  12. OTL men being born as girls
  13. ATL sisters of OTL figures
  14. Products of ATL couples that I haven't remembered

Hmm a Vasa girl makes sense, could add legitimacy for Oscar and the dynasty.

I'd say for Christian Ferdinand Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge would be good as it brings ties to Britian, and repairs relations between two nations after the Napoleonic wars.
 
You're right we did.

I'd say they'd have five kids, three sons and two girls
Here's a possible scenario for Georg Olav and Cecilie (who here would also have ties to Sweden if Oscar I marries her aunt Amalia or Cecilia)
  1. Crown Prince Georg Haakon b. 1866
  2. Princess Sophie Cecilie b.1867
  3. Princess Maria Anastasia b. 1872
  4. Prince Magnus Leopold b. 1872
  5. Prince Gustav Harald b. 1874
Hmm a Vasa girl makes sense, could add legitimacy for Oscar and the dynasty.

I'd say for Christian Ferdinand Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge would be good as it brings ties to Britian, and repairs relations between two nations after the Napoleonic wars.

Given the POD it's probably Mary Adelaide would be different from her OTL counterpart, perhaps more attractive so Christian finds himself more enthused to marry her (she doesn't need to be a great beauty, but enough so she isn't Fat Mary). A potential kid list is (bold= survives).
  1. Crown Prince Frederik b. 1852
  2. Princess Caroline b. 1857
  3. Princess Augusta b. 1858
  4. Prince Christian b. 1860
  5. Prince Adolphus b. 1862
  6. Prince Ferdinand b. 1869
  7. Prince George b. 1870
If Christian Ferdinand doesn't have any younger brothers then maybe we see Iceland split with his sons (Frederik inherits Denmark and one of his little brothers is elected King of Iceland)

As for Oscar, let's have him marry Cecilia Vasa (who actually got married IOTL unlike her sister who had rickets) and produce children. She wasn't considered IOTL, but maybe ITTL the populous is more vocal in their want to unite the two factions (ala the reception of Victoria of Baden when she arrived in Stockholm IOTL) or Cecilia's parents are more pragmatic to see their grandkids on Sweden's throne? As always bold = survives childhood
  1. Prince Carl b. 1825
  2. Princess Desiree b. 1827
  3. Prince Gustav b. 1830
  4. Princess Frederica b. 1835
  5. Princess Cecilia b. 1845
 
Here's a possible scenario for Georg Olav and Cecilie (who here would also have ties to Sweden if Oscar I marries her aunt Amalia or Cecilia)
  1. Crown Prince Georg Haakon b. 1866
  2. Princess Sophie Cecilie b.1867
  3. Princess Maria Anastasia b. 1872
  4. Prince Magnus Leopold b. 1872
  5. Prince Gustav Harald b. 1874


Given the POD it's probably Mary Adelaide would be different from her OTL counterpart, perhaps more attractive so Christian finds himself more enthused to marry her (she doesn't need to be a great beauty, but enough so she isn't Fat Mary). A potential kid list is (bold= survives).
  1. Crown Prince Frederik b. 1852
  2. Princess Caroline b. 1857
  3. Princess Augusta b. 1858
  4. Prince Christian b. 1860
  5. Prince Adolphus b. 1862
  6. Prince Ferdinand b. 1869
  7. Prince George b. 1870
If Christian Ferdinand doesn't have any younger brothers then maybe we see Iceland split with his sons (Frederik inherits Denmark and one of his little brothers is elected King of Iceland)

As for Oscar, let's have him marry Cecilia Vasa (who actually got married IOTL unlike her sister who had rickets) and produce children. She wasn't considered IOTL, but maybe ITTL the populous is more vocal in their want to unite the two factions (ala the reception of Victoria of Baden when she arrived in Stockholm IOTL) or Cecilia's parents are more pragmatic to see their grandkids on Sweden's throne? As always bold = survives childhood
  1. Prince Carl b. 1825
  2. Princess Desiree b. 1827
  3. Prince Gustav b. 1830
  4. Princess Frederica b. 1835
  5. Princess Cecilia b. 1845

I like it snd approve. This means then grwat Norse kingdoms are all linked
 
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