William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

He could become less revolutionary minded and more of a socialist if TTL governments become more mindful of the people on their own.

This is very true, I imagine if ttl Charles X and Henri V approach a more paternalistic way of handling the people, and giving them some help in benefitting from economic developments that will shape things
 
1801 - Paul I dies and the Russian crown falls to his eldest son who becomes Alexander I.

1820 - Alexander is approached by his brother, Constantine, who wishes to marry Joanna Grudzinska, Princess of Lowicz. The marriage will be morganatic and Alexander says he will only recognise it should Constantine forfeit his rights to the throne - which Constantine accepts and subsequently marries Joanna.

1825 - Despite Constantines previous (secret) forfeit of the throne in order for him to marry Joanna, Grand Duke Nicholas (Constantines younger brother) refuses to ascend to the throne until Constantine confirms his refusal - this leads to an Interregnum which lasts until Constantine, Viceroy of Poland, arrives back in St Petersburg and accepts the throne.

1831 - Constantine dies (much to the relief of the Polish and the Russians who largely considered him a tyrant), leaving his son, ten year old Pavel Constantinovich, to become Tsar under the Regency of his uncle, Grand Duke Nicholas.

1839 - Paul II reaches majority and helps arrange the marriage between his cousin, the Grand Duke Alexander Nikolaevich and Princess Alexandrina Victoria of Kent and Strathearn.
 
1801 - Paul I dies and the Russian crown falls to his eldest son who becomes Alexander I.

1820 - Alexander is approached by his brother, Constantine, who wishes to marry Joanna Grudzinska, Princess of Lowicz. The marriage will be morganatic and Alexander says he will only recognise it should Constantine forfeit his rights to the throne - which Constantine accepts and subsequently marries Joanna.

1825 - Despite Constantines previous (secret) forfeit of the throne in order for him to marry Joanna, Grand Duke Nicholas (Constantines younger brother) refuses to ascend to the throne until Constantine confirms his refusal - this leads to an Interregnum which lasts until Constantine, Viceroy of Poland, arrives back in St Petersburg and accepts the throne.

1831 - Constantine dies (much to the relief of the Polish and the Russians who largely considered him a tyrant), leaving his son, ten year old Pavel Constantinovich, to become Tsar under the Regency of his uncle, Grand Duke Nicholas.

1839 - Paul II reaches majority and helps arrange the marriage between his cousin, the Grand Duke Alexander Nikolaevich and Princess Alexandrina Victoria of Kent and Strathearn.

Would Constantine have taken the throne though? Considering he was so reluctant to otl? Furthermore, would the child of a morgantic marriage be considered eligible to inherit?
 
Would Constantine have taken the throne though? Considering he was so reluctant to otl? Furthermore, would the child of a morgantic marriage be considered eligible to inherit?

Either that or you have his first wife produce a legitimate heir and the succession skips Constantine to go to the legitimate non-morganatic son.
 
He would be about twenty years older than her - and moving Alexander out of the line of being Tsar and marrying her to him would be defeated by marrying her to the fictitious legitimate son from Constantines first marriage.

Is the aim to make Victoria the Empress Consort, or to marry her to a Russian?
 
He would be about twenty years older than her - and moving Alexander out of the line of being Tsar and marrying her to him would be defeated by marrying her to the fictitious legitimate son from Constantines first marriage.

Is the aim to make Victoria the Empress Consort, or to marry her to a Russian?

Well, she is a British Princess, and is second in line to the throne when Elizabeth becomes Queen, so would they not look for either a King or a Grand Duke for her to marry?
 
Well, she is a British Princess, and is second in line to the throne when Elizabeth becomes Queen, so would they not look for either a King or a Grand Duke for her to marry?

I suspect they would probably be looking for a spare rather than an heir - precisely because she's next in line after George and Lizzie. As if she becomes Queen her children would take on two crowns. If she doesn't marry until much further down the line it's more possible, I should think.

Or could we marry George to a Russian princess instead of Victoria.
 
I suspect they would probably be looking for a spare rather than an heir - precisely because she's next in line after George and Lizzie. As if she becomes Queen her children would take on two crowns. If she doesn't marry until much further down the line it's more possible, I should think.

Or could we marry George to a Russian princess instead of Victoria.

Hmm this is true, Grand Duchess Maria is available for George V of Hanover, should that be the route.

This then leads me to ask, could Leopold look to marry Victoria to Prince Albert once again? He's a minor German Prince and she's third in line to the throne
 
Diplomats, courtiers, or governor-generals, I think.

Interesting and their kids assuming they have as many as otl, military and perhaps wives for princes abroad. Maybe one could be married to a member of the direct royal family.

So this marriage is a go?
 
Interesting and their kids assuming they have as many as otl, military and perhaps wives for princes abroad. Maybe one could be married to a member of the direct royal family.

So this marriage is a go?

It might open up interesting possibilities for Great Britain domestically so I say go for it.
 
What role would Albert and Victoria serve if they lived in the U.K.?

The most obvious comparison for them would be the example later formed by Victoria's OTL cousin Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge and her husband the Duke of Teck i.e. given a grace and favor apartment in KP and on the fringes of the royal scene (of course Mary Adelaide was involved in lots of charity, but she was more social than Albert-era Victoria).

However, unless we butterfly away Ernest's STD and give him legitimate children, Victoria and Albert will have to move to Coburg at some point as Albert, and by extension, their sons will be heirs to the dukedom. I doubt Victoria will give up being the first lady of Coburg for being a (relatively) poor relation in Britain, especially since she loved Germany so much.

As such she might, ala Mary Adelaide, try to push one of her daughters higher into the family by marrying them to one of Liz's sons. Particularly if we reach a "May of Teck scenario" where major foreign candidates either drop out or seem lacking and Victoria sells her girls as British enough to be popular with the bonus foreign connection of having an uncle/dad/brother as Duke of Saxe Coburg and Gotha.

If her girls don't marry a British cousin they'll likely marry German, with prospects potentially below the heights of Vicky and Alice (the future Frederick III might end up with Vicky's cousin Adelaide instead, although it depends on whether Liz and her husband share Victoria and Albert's belief that Prussia will be the leader in German unification and see marriage as key to making Germany more liberal) but above the relative nobodies chosen for Helena, Louise, and Beatrice. I could definitely see Victoria still seeing Britain as the ultimate prize and trying to pimp out one of her descendants as a consort, much to the annoyance of cousin Liz.
 
So, you are in favour of him gaining the title King Consort during the reign of his wife?
Absolutely: all the reason against a King Consort George, Leopold or Albert here play absolutely in favour of a king Henry IX... Either he is hated like Cumberland in OTL (but then why Elizabeth II married him?) or the parliament will have zero motivation for not giving him the title of King (with the full implication of Elizabeth II being the legitimate heiress but Henry IX the true ruler of England)
 
Absolutely: all the reason against a King Consort George, Leopold or Albert here play absolutely in favour of a king Henry IX... Either he is hated like Cumberland in OTL (but then why Elizabeth II married him?) or the parliament will have zero motivation for not giving him the title of King (with the full implication of Elizabeth II being the legitimate heiress but Henry IX the true ruler of England)
Interesting, so Henry king consider, as Henry IX holding that title for his wife’s reign
 
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