William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

Realistically how much power could queen Liz maintain? George iii levels ormless?


And also Henry duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh’s fsther dies when he’s seventeen which means he’ll have some big shoes to fill there
 
We might need to put together a summary post of what has been agreed so far - am starting to forget who is who and what and where!
 
We might need to put together a summary post of what has been agreed so far - am starting to forget who is who and what and where!

Off the top of my head:

POD: 1817, the birth of Henry William Frederick, only child of His Royal Highness William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh and his wife Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh.

May 1819: Birth of a son and daughter to Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Kent and Strathearn, the boy is named George, the girl Alexandrina.

February, 1820: An assassination attempt on Charles Ferdinand, Duc du Berry fails, the assailant is captured and executed for attempted murder and treason.


December 1820: Birth of Elizabeth of Clarence, fourth in line to the throne and daughter of William and Adelaide, Duke and Duchess of Clarence and St Andrews.

March 1821: Princess Elizabeth avoids catching the illness that killed her otl, and develops into a healthy babe.

September, 1824: Two double blows for the House of Bourbon as King Louis XVIII and his heir and brother Charles Count of Artois die one from long term gout, the other a sudden serious ailment. Charles's son Louis, Duke of Angouleme ascends the French throne as Louis XIX.

1830: As tensions grow high in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands, a plan is put forward for a division of the Southern Netherlands, known as the Talleyrand plan, it pleases nobody and is rejected. Revolt breaks out in the Southern Netherlands.

1834: After the destruction of the Palace of Westminster in a fire, King William IV succeeds in selling the idea of Buckingham House to Parliament for them to sit and use as their place of debate. Renovations continue.

1837: His Majesty the King dies, and is succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth, as Elizabeth II under a brief regency controlled by her Mother and cousin the Duke of Kent and Strathearn who abdicates his place to the Duke of Sussex, to take control of Hanover as its King.

1839: Marriage of Elizabeth II to her cousin Henry William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, Henry is granted the title King Consort by Parliament.

1840: After the conclusion of the uprising in the Southern Netherlands, infighting in the newly created Belgium leads to potential civil war, the Talleyrand plan is brought up once again, and this time there are serious considerations for it. However, war looms as Britain, France, Prussia, and the Netherlands all want a stake in the pie.
 
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POD: 1817, the birth of Henry William Frederick, only child of His Royal Highness William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh and his wife Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh.

May 1819: Birth of a son and daughter to Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Kent and Strathearn, the boy is named George, the girl Alexandrina.

February, 1820: An assassination attempt on Charles Ferdinand, Duc du Berry fails, the assailant is captured and executed for attempted murder and treason.


December 1820: Birth of Elizabeth of Clarence, fourth in line to the throne and daughter of William and Adelaide, Duke and Duchess of Clarence and St Andrews.

March 1821: Princess Elizabeth avoids catching the illness that killed her otl, and develops into a healthy babe.

September, 1824: Two double blows for the House of Bourbon as King Louis XVIII and his heir and brother Charles Count of Artois die one from long term gout, the other a sudden serious ailment. Charles's son Louis, Duke of Angouleme ascends the French throne as Louis XIX.

1830: As tensions grow high in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands, a plan is put forward for a division of the Southern Netherlands, known as the Talleyrand plan, it pleases nobody and is rejected. Revolt breaks out in the Southern Netherlands.

1832: HRH Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duke of Saxony (and former son-in-law of George IV) is offered the Greek throne after the London Conference. He is hesitant to accept due to concerns about the precariousness of the political situation following the War of Independence but following pressure from William IV he accepts and his appointment is later ratified in the Treaty of Constantinople.

1834: After the destruction of the Palace of Westminster in a fire, King William IV succeeds in selling the idea of Buckingham House to Parliament for them to sit and use as their place of debate. Renovations continue.

1837: His Majesty the King dies, and is succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth, as Elizabeth II under a brief regency controlled by her Mother and cousin the Duke of Kent and Strathearn who abdicates his place to the Duke of Sussex, to take control of Hanover as its King.

1839: Marriage of Elizabeth II to her cousin Henry William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, Henry is granted the title King Consort by Parliament.

1840: After the conclusion of the uprising in the Southern Netherlands, infighting in the newly created Belgium leads to potential civil war, the Talleyrand plan is brought up once again, and this time there are serious considerations for it. However, war looms as Britain, France, Prussia - and Bavaria -, and the Netherlands all want a stake in the pie.
 
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POD: 1817, the birth of Henry William Frederick, only child of His Royal Highness William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh and his wife Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh.

May 1819: Birth of a son and daughter to Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Kent and Strathearn, the boy is named George, the girl Alexandrina.

February, 1820: An assassination attempt on Charles Ferdinand, Duc du Berry fails, the assailant is captured and executed for attempted murder and treason.


December 1820: Birth of Elizabeth of Clarence, fourth in line to the throne and daughter of William and Adelaide, Duke and Duchess of Clarence and St Andrews.

March 1821: Princess Elizabeth avoids catching the illness that killed her otl, and develops into a healthy babe.

September, 1824: Two double blows for the House of Bourbon as King Louis XVIII and his heir and brother Charles Count of Artois die one from long term gout, the other a sudden serious ailment. Charles's son Louis, Duke of Angouleme ascends the French throne as Louis XIX.

1830: As tensions grow high in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands, a plan is put forward for a division of the Southern Netherlands, known as the Talleyrand plan, it pleases nobody and is rejected. Revolt breaks out in the Southern Netherlands.

1832: HRH Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duke of Saxony (and former son-in-law of George IV) is offered the Greek throne after the London Conference. He is hesitant to accept due to concerns about the precariousness of the political situation following the War of Independence but following pressure from William IV he accepts and his appointment is later ratified in the Treaty of Constantinople.

1834: After the destruction of the Palace of Westminster in a fire, King William IV succeeds in selling the idea of Buckingham House to Parliament for them to sit and use as their place of debate. Renovations continue.

1837: His Majesty the King dies, and is succeeded by his daughter Elizabeth, as Elizabeth II under a brief regency controlled by her Mother and cousin the Duke of Kent and Strathearn who abdicates his place to the Duke of Sussex, to take control of Hanover as its King.

1839: Marriage of Elizabeth II to her cousin Henry William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh, Henry is granted the title King Consort by Parliament.

1840: After the conclusion of the uprising in the Southern Netherlands, infighting in the newly created Belgium leads to potential civil war, the Talleyrand plan is brought up once again, and this time there are serious considerations for it. However, war looms as Britain, France, Prussia - and Bavaria -, and the Netherlands all want a stake in the pie.

Looks good to me. Would William IV still own Buckingham Palace or would he sell it off to the government? And seeing them debate there would be fascinating.

Did he use Clarence House as his main residence as monarch?
 
Looks good to me. Would William IV still own Buckingham Palace or would he sell it off to the government? And seeing them debate there would be fascinating.

Did he use Clarence House as his main residence as monarch?

I think he would gift it - perhaps on condition for a modest increase in the allowance for the monarchy.

And he apparently did use Clarence House as his home in London.
 
I think he would gift it - perhaps on condition for a modest increase in the allowance for the monarchy.

And he apparently did use Clarence House as his home in London.

Agreed there, and alright Clarence House it is then. Perhaps he begins expansions himself.

Also, I'm thinking Leopold I of Greece-or would he adopt a more Greek sounding name?- married to Princess Marie of Saxe Weimar-Einsach?
 
I still think going with his real world bride would be a good direction - perhaps as a condition of his appointment as King of Greece by the French? Or another French bride, at the very least.
 
Agreed there, and alright Clarence House it is then. Perhaps he begins expansions himself.

Also, I'm thinking Leopold I of Greece-or would he adopt a more Greek sounding name?- married to Princess Marie of Saxe Weimar-Einsach?

Maybe he uses a Greek version of one of his middle names that comes from Greek, like George
 
Sounds good.

I'm still backing a French match whether it's Louise-Marie or another candidate. Given it was Britain, France and Russia selecting him as King, and he was the British candidate- I'd expect the other two to seek some sort of influence by 'selecting' his wife.
 
Sounds good.

I'm still backing a French match whether it's Louise-Marie or another candidate. Given it was Britain, France and Russia selecting him as King, and he was the British candidate- I'd expect the other two to seek some sort of influence by 'selecting' his wife.

This is true, the Saxe Weimar match would be Russia's candidate I think. Which means either the Bourbons put forward a daughter of Charles Ferdinand, or they put forward a daughter of Louis Philippe.

I wonder what the relationship between Louis XIX and Louis Philippe will be like. As Louis XIX will be reigning from 1824 to his death in 1844. I imagine France will see some turbulence during his reign but be relatively stable. Unsure if his brother should succeed him, or if it should go straight to Henri, Duke of Bordeaux
 
I'm thinking this for the line of kids for Queen Elizabeth II:

Elizabeth II of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (b.1820: d. 1892) m Henry William, King Consort and Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1817: d. 1892)

Issue:

William V of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (b. 1840)

Adelaide, Princess Royal (b.1841)

Frederick William, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1844)

Sophia (b. 1848)

Henry William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews (b. 1855)

Like otl Edward VII, William V would have a brief tenure in the armed forces, never actually actively, serving. He would however unlike Edward, be a lot more studious and less philandering, working hard, and learning his duties. A decent politician, but slightly dour of humour.

His brother Frederick, would join the Army, at his father's insistence. And would rise to the rank of Field Marshal after a long and good career. He'd be the opposite to his brother, a bit of a womaniser, cheery, jovial and a natural born leader.

Henry William, would enter the navy and be a rise to be an Admiral of the Fleet, he'd spearhead reforms that would improve Britain's naval performance toward the end of the century.

Adelaide, Princess Royal would be like a combination of her mother and father, hard working, but also cheery and a bit of a flirt.

Princess Sophia, would be shy, fiercely so. But also very prideful.
 
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As king consort, would Henry William be Henry IX? (I believe it works this way in Portugal, but I don't think there's a precedent in England at this point.)

Also, why not have a revolution of 1830 equivalent that unseats Charles X and have the assassin kill Louis XIX instead?

Like where this is going btw, just a few questions.
 
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As king consort, would Henry William be Henry IX? (I believe it works this way in Portugal, but I don't think there's a precedent in England at this point.)

Also, why not have a revolution of 1830 equivalent that unseats Charles X and have the assassin kill Louis XIX instead?

Like where this is going btw, just a few questions.

The only example I know of for England is Philip ii of Spain, and yes I honk he was given the right to be Philip I of england, so yeah I think Henry would be Henry IX

Aye as to that regard, I’m not sure I quite like Louis. But also revolutions and the French don’t go well
 
I'm not entirely sure why we're using King Consort as the title for Prince Henry - as that's never really been the title used.

Philip of Spain and William III were both exceptional cases for various reasons. As such i think the templates we should be using here are George of Denmark, Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Philip Mountbatten who have all been termed Prince Consort.
 
I'm not entirely sure why we're using King Consort as the title for Prince Henry - as that's never really been the title used.

Philip of Spain and William III were both exceptional cases for various reasons. As such i think the templates we should be using here are George of Denmark, Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Philip Mountbatten who have all been termed Prince Consort.

I think Henry IX works because Albert and Philip came afterwards and William III and Philip of Spain are the most prominent male consorts in a country without an established constitution to standardize it.
 
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