William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

So, I've toyed with the idea of a William IV having surviving sons before, now I'm somewhat toying with the idea of his daughter Elizabeth surviving. If she survives, I think she'd be more educated on the constitution compared to her cousin Victoria, which means the crown can keep some power. I am also curious as to who her husband could be, as shes the heir. Would William encourage a marriage between her and a male cousin? Either a son - if he has one- of Edward, Duke of Kent, or George of Cumberland- otl George of Hanover? Or would William encourage a foreign marriage?

What consequences might there be in terms of a marriage between Liz and a Hanoverian cousin? And what consequences would there be more widely?
 
Elizabeth would have been more schooled in the nature of the royal court- therefore the bedchamber crisis would never have occurred and Melbourne wouldn't have returned to power.

I think Elizabeth would have become fast friends with her elder cousin Princess Alexandrina of Kent, and upon her accession to the throne would have asked her to be a member of her household in order to have her escape from the clutches of the Dowager Duchess who would be constantly pushing a betrothal with Ernest or Albert on the two princesses.

Here, Alexandrina doesn't need to worry about securing the line so may not feel as pressured into marriage. And she found the Princes of the Netherlands plain and 'very Dutch' a point of view that could have then influenced Elizabeth.

In a timeline I scribbled, I had her marrying their younger brother, Casimir, (who died young IRL much like Elizabeth) whilst Alexandrina married a FitzClarence, a fictional nephew of Elizabeth's, by her half-brother and the daughter of an Italian count.
 
Elizabeth would have been more schooled in the nature of the royal court- therefore the bedchamber crisis would never have occurred and Melbourne wouldn't have returned to power.

I think Elizabeth would have become fast friends with her elder cousin Princess Alexandrina of Kent, and upon her accession to the throne would have asked her to be a member of her household in order to have her escape from the clutches of the Dowager Duchess who would be constantly pushing a betrothal with Ernest or Albert on the two princesses.

Here, Alexandrina doesn't need to worry about securing the line so may not feel as pressured into marriage. And she found the Princes of the Netherlands plain and 'very Dutch' a point of view that could have then influenced Elizabeth.

In a timeline I scribbled, I had her marrying their younger brother, Casimir, (who died young IRL much like Elizabeth) whilst Alexandrina married a FitzClarence, a fictional nephew of Elizabeth's, by her half-brother and the daughter of an Italian count.
Oh that’s pretty interesting, no bedchamber crisis and a peel government could strengthen the crowns hand long term.

And oh that’s pretty interesting, would that mean a preference for Dutch over German affairs
 
Also, should Buckingham Palace become the monarch's official residence, or should that remain St James Palace
 
So, she's 16 and a half when her dad dies, without butterflies, so she's going to need a regent. If we don't change who dies when, then either the Duke of Sussex or the Duke of Cambridge is going to be the go-to guy as parliament will never approve of Cumberland, and besides he's just become King of Hannover.

Sussex was a relatively liberal dude, for a royal prince, and seems to have had good relations with William. I do recall reading that in later life he suffered from a lot of pain and slept in a chair, but doubt that would necessarily preclude him from doing his duties for 18 months

Cambridge, though, has been Viceroy of Hannover for William, and might seem a more natural regent because of that, despite being the younger brother. He is however a Field Marshal in the British army - this doesn't seem to have been a problem for him as Viceroy of Hannover, whether it would seem more of one to the UK parliament I don't know?
 
So, she's 16 and a half when her dad dies, without butterflies, so she's going to need a regent. If we don't change who dies when, then either the Duke of Sussex or the Duke of Cambridge is going to be the go-to guy as parliament will never approve of Cumberland, and besides he's just become King of Hannover.

Sussex was a relatively liberal dude, for a royal prince, and seems to have had good relations with William. I do recall reading that in later life he suffered from a lot of pain and slept in a chair, but doubt that would necessarily preclude him from doing his duties for 18 months

Cambridge, though, has been Viceroy of Hannover for William, and might seem a more natural regent because of that, despite being the younger brother. He is however a Field Marshal in the British army - this doesn't seem to have been a problem for him as Viceroy of Hannover, whether it would seem more of one to the UK parliament I don't know?
Hmm for Cambridge, even as field marshal I don’t think that would necessarily exclude him from the regency, this was before the time when it was expected regentand monarch remain completely a political
 
Don't forget that Alexandrina Victoria is still Heir Presumptive until Elizabeth has a child, so whoever she marries is still going to be a matter of great importance
 
Don't forget that Alexandrina Victoria is still Heir Presumptive until Elizabeth has a child, so whoever she marries is still going to be a matter of great importance

This is very true, hmm, would she be proposed for Prince Albert then, due to her tie to King Leopold of Belgium and his family connections etc? Could we see Liz marrying either a Hanoverian cousin or a Dutch Prince
 
Believe it or not I actually did some working-out of Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide of Clarence's "Natural" Life Span for a thread in the "Media" forum; what I have will be posted below (though it should be noted this is more of sketch than a full-blown portrait).:)
 
Believe it or not I actually did some working-out of Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide of Clarence's "Natural" Life Span for a thread in the "Media" forum; what I have will be posted below (though it should be noted this is more of sketch than a full-blown portrait).:)

Oh awesome, thank you!
 
QUEEN ELIZABETH II House of Hanover (Cadet Branch of the HOUSE OF WELF)

Born: 10 December 1820 Died: 11 January 1880


QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM (more...)

Reign: 20 June 1837 - 11 January 1880

Coronation: 28 June 1838

Predecessor: William IV

Successor: Victoria*

Prime Ministers see list

*This is purely a placeholder and could represent her older cousin OR a daughter named for "Cousin Drina"


Full Name Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide

Father Prince William, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews

Mother Adelaide of Saxe-Meinegen
 
For the record I worked out this "Natural" Life Span by adding up the ages at death of her mother, grandmothers, her maternal aunts and her Fitzclarence half-sisters then working out the average based on those numbers; had we been discussing the fatal son whose birth killed Princess Charlotte of Wales, I would have done much the same for father, grandfathers and his "half brothers" (born to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg after the latter remarried & became King of the Belgians).
 
For the record I worked out this "Natural" Life Span by adding up the ages at death of her mother, grandmothers, her maternal aunts and her Fitzclarence half-sisters then working out the average based on those numbers; had we been discussing the fatal son whose birth killed Princess Charlotte of Wales, I would have done much the same for father, grandfathers and his "half brothers" (born to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg after the latter remarried & became King of the Belgians).

Alright interesting, very interesting. Who would you recommend she marry? A cousin of Hanover, or someone else?
 
This is very true, hmm, would she be proposed for Prince Albert then, due to her tie to King Leopold of Belgium and his family connections etc? Could we see Liz marrying either a Hanoverian cousin or a Dutch Prince

If she marries Prince William it could mean a dynastic union between the UK and Netherlands (which is why the Tsar sent his daughter to marry William). This could change the entire dynamic of the Belgian revolt.

How would the two countries settle the succession you think?
 
If she marries Prince William it could mean a dynastic union between the UK and Netherlands (which is why the Tsar sent his daughter to marry William). This could change the entire dynamic of the Belgian revolt.

How would the two countries settle the succession you think?

As in Liz marrying Prince William? Would such a marriage be considered viable by either country's Parliament/ government due to the possible consequences this could have? And hmm, I think perhaps the older son-if they have sons- would get Britain, the younger, the Netherlands
 
When I planned out a timeline, it had the eldest taking the crown of whichever parent died first, and the subsequent child taking the other.

The eldest child could choose to pass the crown from the deceased parent to his younger sibling instead, in favour of waiting longer for the crown of choice.

If no other siblings were there when a father died (in a case of Elizabeth and William) and the only child chose to wait longer for the mother's crown, the father's crown would subsequently go to his own siblings and their issue.
 
When I planned out a timeline, it had the eldest taking the crown of whichever parent died first, and the subsequent child taking the other.

The eldest child could choose to pass the crown from the deceased parent to his younger sibling instead, in favour of waiting longer for the crown of choice.

If no other siblings were there when a father died (in a case of Elizabeth and William) and the only child chose to wait longer for the mother's crown, the father's crown would subsequently go to his own siblings and their issue.

That makes sense, at this point I do think Britain was the more prestigious crown than the Netherlands
 
When I planned out a timeline, it had the eldest taking the crown of whichever parent died first, and the subsequent child taking the other.

The eldest child could choose to pass the crown from the deceased parent to his younger sibling instead, in favour of waiting longer for the crown of choice.

If no other siblings were there when a father died (in a case of Elizabeth and William) and the only child chose to wait longer for the mother's crown, the father's crown would subsequently go to his own siblings and their issue.

So are you in favour of a Dutch marriage, or Liz marrying one of her Hanoverian cousins?
 
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