We still have the Walloons in Hainault to worry about maybe later on France tries to gain Hainault.This principality would be very rich and powerful his son could have a chance in the imperial election and in the atl golden bull Holland maybe gets an electorship. Dutch nationalism maybe never arises and the Netherlands stays part of Germany especially if Holland is emperor.
Don't overestemate the wealth of Holland during the middle ages. Although there certainly existed poorer counties, Holland wasn't particulairly wealthy. I think you could easily compare the wealth of Holland with overijssel or Friesland. Holland became wealthy because of the fall of Brabant and Flanders. That is where the Dutch wealth was during the middle ages, especialy Flanders, since the rise of Brabant (mainly Antwerp) happened later. In a union between Hainaut, Zeeland, Holland, Brabant and Limburg it will be Brabant that would be the strongest, wealthiest and most important duchy, not Holland. And would still be relatively poor compared to neighbouring Flanders.This principality would be very rich and powerful his son could have a chance in the imperial election and in the atl golden bull Holland maybe gets an electorship. Dutch nationalism maybe never arises and the Netherlands stays part of Germany especially if Holland is emperor.
Don't overestemate the wealth of Holland during the middle ages. Although there certainly existed poorer counties, Holland wasn't particulairly wealthy. I think you could easily compare the wealth of Holland with overijssel or Friesland. Holland became wealthy because of the fall of Brabant and Flanders. That is where the Dutch wealth was during the middle ages, especialy Flanders, since the rise of Brabant (mainly Antwerp) happened later. In a union between Hainaut, Zeeland, Holland, Brabant and Limburg it will be Brabant that would be the strongest, wealthiest and most important duchy, not Holland. And would still be relatively poor compared to neighbouring Flanders.
Northern Germany as in Hanseic League northern Germany? I think both might be comparable.But the Netherlands are still richer than northern Germany right?
Northern Germany as in Hanseic League northern Germany? I think both might be comparable.
Actualy, now that I think about it, the Hansaic League might have had an advantage up until the end of the middle ages.
Northern Germany as in Hanseic League northern Germany? I think both might be comparable.
Actualy, now that I think about it, the Hansaic League might have had an advantage up until the end of the middle ages.
A big portion of the early 100 Years War was Brabant backing England against France and Flanders, for control of the wool trade. England and Brabant conspired to move the trade to Brabant and away from Flanders.
It depends on if you are pro-Flemish or pro-Brabant.Wouldn't economic warfare be a better term, than conspiring?
They are "conspiring" to move the trade. They are "conspiring" to conduct economic warfare. I used the word correctly.
You suggested I change the word "conspiring". That was the verb. You suggested I replace it with a noun "economic warfare". Conspiring was not the word in the sentence that should have been changed.
The problem is that conspire, in whatever definition you use it, always sounds negative (even if you don't mean it in a negative way, some words just have that conontation), which is something JanPrimus doesn't like, since he comes from Brabant.Yes, I understood your point. It was completely wrong, but I understood it. "Moving trade" is another way of saying "economic warfare". I am not disputing that. I think everyone agrees with that.
Words have more than one definition.
I used the word "conspire"
I didn't mean they were
to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement
I meant they were
to act in harmony toward a common end
I was using the second definition. I would have thought it was obvious from the context.
The problem is that conspire, in whatever definition you use it, always sounds negative (even if you don't mean it in a negative way, some words just have that conontation), which is something JanPrimus doesn't like, since he comes from Brabant.