Wilhelm II-king of Prussia

When Wilhelm II renounces the imperial crown,but he is still king of Prussia and doesn't renounce the crown.How will that change Europe and the world.
 
Bavaria was the second largest kingdom of Germany.Their were regiments distributed according to these kingdoms.It could have led to a civil war type situation with each kingdom fielding its own army.
 
Bavaria was the second largest kingdom of Germany.Their were regiments distributed according to these kingdoms.It could have led to a civil war type situation with each kingdom fielding its own army.
Prussia will probably win and this means that Wilhelm is still the king.
 

Anderman

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When Wilhelm II renounces the imperial crown,but he is still king of Prussia and doesn't renounce the crown.How will that change Europe and the world.

That is exactly what he wanted to do. Problem there is no imperial crown! Article 11 clearly states:

he King of Prussia shall be the President of the Confederation, and shall have the title of German Emperor.

So as long he is King of Prussia he is German Emperor.
 
That is exactly what he wanted to do. Problem there is no imperial crown! Article 11 clearly states:

So as long he is King of Prussia he is German Emperor.

Yes, as king of Prussia he was President of the Bundesraat and from that the Emperor of Germany.
 
It doesn't have to be invaded.If it's part of the Versailles treaty it might not get invaded,even if that's against the imperial constitution.
Prussia as a separate state or Prussia still apart of Germany?

Germany abolished kingdoms after the war.
Germany was blamed for the war, lock, stock and barrel.
Any remaining Prussia is going to have problems with out the rest of Germany to draw from.
 
Prussia as a separate state or Prussia still apart of Germany?

Germany abolished kingdoms after the war.
Germany was blamed for the war, lock, stock and barrel.
Any remaining Prussia is going to have problems with out the rest of Germany to draw from.
The Entente can make this part of Versailles treaty to weaken Germany.
 
That is exactly what he wanted to do. Problem there is no imperial crown! Article 11 clearly states
I am sorry, but this is total BS reasoning.
Constitution says king of Prussia is emperor. We don't want him to be the emperor, so he has to abdicate. No, we forbid him from stopping to be emperor while he's still king of Prussia, because constitution says he must be emperor. Constitution also says that kaiser appoints chancellor, but whatever, we just let incumbent chancellor appoint new chancellor without even asking kaiser. Oh, and we declare republic and overturn regime completely. We guess technically united Germany is dissolved now that empire is dissolved, but we don't want to dissolve Germany as united state, so we keep parts of constitution we want. Even though we just brazenly broken constitution.

The only reason Kaiser had to abdicate both crown, was because people in power wanted him to do so.

summary of 1918:
"I abdicate as Kaiser!"
"This doesn't count! u still king of Prussia, so you still kaiser! constitution says so"
"If im still kaiser, that means you have to listen to me! constitution says so"
"lol no"
 
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well that makes a mess

southern Germany either joins Bavaria or all join Austria
 
would be an interesting Treaty of Versailles

Protestant Northern Germany ( Prussia )
this leaves a fairly powerful state. Obviously breaking up Germany is pretty harsh
What about Danzig? Posen? Memel?


Catholic Southern Germany who wouldn't be weak .. but no where near a power.


What happens to Austria - Hungary in this mess? I could actually see southern Germany swinging to the Austrian side with the Czechs / Austrians/ Croatians and southern german states.
 
would be an interesting Treaty of Versailles

Protestant Northern Germany ( Prussia )
this leaves a fairly powerful state. Obviously breaking up Germany is pretty harsh
What about Danzig? Posen? Memel?


Catholic Southern Germany who wouldn't be weak .. but no where near a power.


What happens to Austria - Hungary in this mess? I could actually see southern Germany swinging to the Austrian side with the Czechs / Austrians/ Croatians and southern german states.
A broken Germany is enough ,so they can leave Danzig,Posen and Memel to Prussia.A confederation can form called Austria-Bavaria,but Austria-Hungary will collapse.
 
well this leaves Prussia in a better position. so it wouldn't be an easy target against Poland or the Baltics, however I would see Wilhelm being asked to step down in favor of someone else.

what would be the status of Poland? Lithuania? Baltics?
 
well this leaves Prussia in a better position. so it wouldn't be an easy target against Poland or the Baltics, however I would see Wilhelm being asked to step down in favor of someone else.

what would be the status of Poland? Lithuania? Baltics?
They were part of Russia,so I don't think anything would change,apart from the fact that they won't have Memel,Danzig and Posen.Except if the treaty of Brest-Litovsk remains,but I don't think that's realistic
 

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I am sorry, but this is total BS reasoning.
Constitution says king of Prussia is emperor. We don't want him to be the emperor, so he has to abdicate. No, we forbid him from stopping to be emperor while he's still king of Prussia, because constitution says he must be emperor. Constitution also says that kaiser appoints chancellor, but whatever, we just let incumbent chancellor appoint new chancellor without even asking kaiser. Oh, and we declare republic and overturn regime completely. We guess technically united Germany is dissolved now that empire is dissolved, but we don't want to dissolve Germany as united state, so we keep parts of constitution we want. Even though we just brazenly broken constitution.

The only reason Kaiser had to abdicate both crown, was because people in power wanted him to do so.

summary of 1918:
"I abdicate as Kaiser!"
"This doesn't count! u still king of Prussia, so you still kaiser! constitution says so"
"If im still kaiser, that means you have to listen to me! constitution says so"
"lol no"

It might be "BS reasoning" but it's what happened OTL. The WAllies demanded the Kaiser abdicated as a precondition of peace. Wilhelm wanted to abdicate as Kaiser but stay as King but was informed by his own politicians that being King meant being Kaiser. To give up one title meant giving up the other and that was the precondition to ensure hostilities ended. He did so, reluctantly. IIRC his son was also banned from becoming Kaiser, but I'm not 100%. Once he had abdicated, the Socialists took their chance and declared the Republic. No one went to bat for Wilhelm to retain his crown, so he schlepped off to Holland.

Call it BS if you want, but it happened. The driver was the demands of the WAllies though, not a coup by republicans (at least not at first).
 
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