Wilhelm II dies in 1932, consequences?

A question I've been pondering recently. There was some monarchist feeling within Weimar Republic Germany after 1918, but a lot of it was hindered by the continued existence of Wilhelm II, who many were wary of. What would've changed if in January, 1932, Wilhelm II suffers a heart attack and dies, and therefore his son Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Germany is now the head of the Imperial family. What does this change for them, and for Germany, and for the allied perception of Germany?
 
So far i can see it would change Power balance in Weimar Republic drastic.

Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Germany try to enter German Politic in 1932, running for Reichspräsident as the right-wing candidate against Paul von Hindenburg and Adolf Hitler
Wilhelm II consider Weimar as „Saurepublik“ (Pig Republic) and forbidden this, menaced to trow his son out the family just like he dit with grandson Wilhelm

Without Wilhelm II in 1932, his son Wilhelm, would be Reichspräsident and Hitler has a problem...
 
So far i can see it would change Power balance in Weimar Republic drastic.

Wilhelm, Crown Prince of Germany try to enter German Politic in 1932, running for Reichspräsident as the right-wing candidate against Paul von Hindenburg and Adolf Hitler
Wilhelm II consider Weimar as „Saurepublik“ (Pig Republic) and forbidden this, menaced to trow his son out the family just like he dit with grandson Wilhelm

Without Wilhelm II in 1932, his son Wilhelm, would be Reichspräsident and Hitler has a problem...

Interesting, do you think that Wilhelm III would look to restore the Imperial family to the throne?
 
Interesting, do you think that Wilhelm III would look to restore the Imperial family to the throne?

not quite, as Reichspräsident he has more influence on german politic as Monarch or Emperor for moment.
As Member of Imperial family Willhelm III will be very popular in Germany and consolidate the right wing, center and conservatives into one Political Block
and this will be hell of bad surprise for Hitler, who not face a old dying war veteran Hindenburg. but a popular resolut Aristocrat, who dislike the Nazis.
 
not quite, as Reichspräsident he has more influence on german politic as Monarch or Emperor for moment.
As Member of Imperial family Willhelm III will be very popular in Germany and consolidate the right wing, center and conservatives into one Political Block
and this will be hell of bad surprise for Hitler, who not face a old dying war veteran Hindenburg. but a popular resolut Aristocrat, who dislike the Nazis.

Hmm very interesting, would he take a slow turn toward restoring the monarchy then? Given that the old military lot wanted a restoration and that.
 
Hmm very interesting, would he take a slow turn toward restoring the monarchy then? Given that the old military lot wanted a restoration and that.

Ops i forgot the Military they would be joining also ranks of Political block, why ?
Willhelm III was member of "Stahlhelm" a Veteran Organisation exert influence into Military and Politic
With Him as Reichspräsident the Stahlhelm and Military would on Willhelm side not Hitler

Another problem for little annoying Austrian, he become just a political collation partner for new conservatives Government of Weimar
a much darker path would be if German military deal with "socialist problem" and decide to deal one and for all with them, by murder...
special if some communist or NSDAP member try to assassinate Willhelm III
 
Ops i forgot the Military they would be joining also ranks of Political block, why ?
Willhelm III was member of "Stahlhelm" a Veteran Organisation exert influence into Military and Politic
With Him as Reichspräsident the Stahlhelm and Military would on Willhelm side not Hitler

Another problem for little annoying Austrian, he become just a political collation partner for new conservatives Government of Weimar
a much darker path would be if German military deal with "socialist problem" and decide to deal one and for all with them, by murder...
special if some communist or NSDAP member try to assassinate Willhelm III

Intriguing, so possible deaths of socialists, army restored to their former power, but possibility of some very severe consequences foreign policy wise
 
The crown prince wouldn't run against Hitler. He was a huge fan of Hitler in 1932. The whole idea of him running for president was based around having Hitler's support and making Hitler chancellor after winning the election. Additionally it was hoped that Hindenburg wouldn't run against a Hohenzollern and that this way the right wing vote wouldn't be split. Hitler was happy enough with the idea but it's more than doubtful that Hindenburg would have played along.

And even if Hindenburg did play, Hindenburg won the 1932 election practicly without support from the right. So any candidate that has the support of Zentrum, SPD etc. will win the election. And probably have more than the luke warm support that Hindenburg had OTL, so likely more centre left voters will turn up. Meanwhile it's questionable if the crown prince could get as many people out to vote like Hitler did.
 
Interesting so, do you
The crown prince wouldn't run against Hitler. He was a huge fan of Hitler in 1932. The whole idea of him running for president was based around having Hitler's support and making Hitler chancellor after winning the election. Additionally it was hoped that Hindenburg wouldn't run against a Hohenzollern and that this way the right wing vote wouldn't be split. Hitler was happy enough with the idea but it's more than doubtful that Hindenburg would have played along.

And even if Hindenburg did play, Hindenburg won the 1932 election practicly without support from the right. So any candidate that has the support of Zentrum, SPD etc. will win the election. And probably have more than the luke warm support that Hindenburg had OTL, so likely more centre left voters will turn up. Meanwhile it's questionable if the crown prince could get as many people out to vote like Hitler did.

Interesting so do you think Wilhelm would need to wait and see if hitler would actually restore the monarchy? Or pressure Hindenburg into doing so?
 

oberdada

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Hindenburg would never run for another term if the head of house Hohenzollern is also a candidate.

Hitler will have the problem of his party having monarchists as supporters, despite actually being anti monarchists.
So he might just not accept that formal state job from Braunschweig that made him a citizen and put in a token Candidate for the first round only.

Thälmann ist running no matter what.

Brüning will try to get the center party behind Wilhelm III, but I doubt that many in his party are keen on a hohenzollern Restauration.

The social democrats will have to field a candidate, probably Braun or Wels, unless you have someone like Hugo Eckart running.
 
Interesting so, do you


Interesting so do you think Wilhelm would need to wait and see if hitler would actually restore the monarchy? Or pressure Hindenburg into doing so?

He doesn't have much of a choice Hitler holds all the cards.

And Wilhelm has nothing to pressure Hindenburg with. Hindenburg will just deflect anything by arguing he must first save the country before doing something else. Hindenburg served his own interests first and above all else.
 
He doesn't have much of a choice Hitler holds all the cards.

And Wilhelm has nothing to pressure Hindenburg with. Hindenburg will just deflect anything by arguing he must first save the country before doing something else. Hindenburg served his own interests first and above all else.

Hmm interesting so do you disagree with oberdada synopsis above that Hindenburg would never run for president if Wilhelm was?
 
Hmm interesting so do you disagree with oberdada synopsis above that Hindenburg would never run for president if Wilhelm was?

I think I do. Unlike Reinhard Scheer or Adolf zu Mecklenburg-Schwerin whom Hindenburg thought of as acceptable successors around 1930 the crown prince had no hero status, instead he had Verdun stuck to his head. Wilhelm's political aspirations were also open for everyone to see, unlike Scheer or Mecklenburg-Schwerin who kept theirs to themselfs. Hindenburg liked to think of himself as a man who could unite the Germans and he wanted to be succeded by a man whom he thought could do the same thing. Hitler masterfully played him, the crown prince couldn't fool anyone.
 
I think I do. Unlike Reinhard Scheer or Adolf zu Mecklenburg-Schwerin whom Hindenburg thought of as acceptable successors around 1930 the crown prince had no hero status, instead he had Verdun stuck to his head. Wilhelm's political aspirations were also open for everyone to see, unlike Scheer or Mecklenburg-Schwerin who kept theirs to themselfs. Hindenburg liked to think of himself as a man who could unite the Germans and he wanted to be succeded by a man whom he thought could do the same thing. Hitler masterfully played him, the crown prince couldn't fool anyone.

Ah, that's a damned shame. I do wonder what would be needed for things to look favourably toward a monarchial restoration
 
He doesn't have much of a choice Hitler holds all the cards.
in OTL, yes but not here
As popular Hitler rise to Power, the conservative were divided and thinking "That Mister Hitler is easy to spoof" oh boy were they wrong
The Military supported Hitler who wanted rearm Germany.
Also the Economic leaders of Germany wanted Hitler for similar Reasons and Fear of Left and Communist.
and there is Issue that German people wanted the Emperor or Strong Leader that return Germany back to it Old Glory
Something Hitler gave excellent to the masses "I'm strong Leader, under my rule we conquer the World"


But here in my proposal Willhelm III goes into Politic, things change allot.
Here the Crown Prince of Germany return to Power, allot Germans will be enthuse about this.
and Hitler popularity get first dents
like i have wrote the Military would support only Willhelm III, seeing now in Hitler only as necessary evil or Plan B.
and Hitler losing this trump card.
also in assumptions that Willhelm III manage to unite the conservative and Right-wings Parties
with backing of the Economic leaders of Germany, who consider now NSDAP as socialist menace
here Hitler losing last of his cards.
Hitler NSDAP face a union of conservative who consider the party, only as necessary evil to rule as coalition in 1930s.

The Chance is realistic that Willhelm III order the Police and Military to terminate the Communist violence and NSADP attacks on Jews
and bring back Law and Order on streets of chaotic Weimar Republic.

And Wilhelm has nothing to pressure Hindenburg with. Hindenburg will just deflect anything by arguing he must first save the country before doing something else. Hindenburg served his own interests first and above all else.
The Issue with Paul von Hindenburg is, the General was 85 year old in 1932 and wanted to retire from politic, but conservative politicians persuade him to run for another therm.
There is realistic opportunity that Von Hindenburg quit the Race in favor of Willhelm III and goes into retirement

but there many what if in this proposal and quite interesting ones
Like Reichs president Willhelm III vs Reichs chancellor Hitler
 
in OTL, yes but not here
As popular Hitler rise to Power, the conservative were divided and thinking "That Mister Hitler is easy to spoof" oh boy were they wrong
The Military supported Hitler who wanted rearm Germany.
Also the Economic leaders of Germany wanted Hitler for similar Reasons and Fear of Left and Communist.
and there is Issue that German people wanted the Emperor or Strong Leader that return Germany back to it Old Glory
Something Hitler gave excellent to the masses "I'm strong Leader, under my rule we conquer the World"


But here in my proposal Willhelm III goes into Politic, things change allot.
Here the Crown Prince of Germany return to Power, allot Germans will be enthuse about this.
and Hitler popularity get first dents
like i have wrote the Military would support only Willhelm III, seeing now in Hitler only as necessary evil or Plan B.
and Hitler losing this trump card.
also in assumptions that Willhelm III manage to unite the conservative and Right-wings Parties
with backing of the Economic leaders of Germany, who consider now NSDAP as socialist menace
here Hitler losing last of his cards.
Hitler NSDAP face a union of conservative who consider the party, only as necessary evil to rule as coalition in 1930s.

The Chance is realistic that Willhelm III order the Police and Military to terminate the Communist violence and NSADP attacks on Jews
and bring back Law and Order on streets of chaotic Weimar Republic.


The Issue with Paul von Hindenburg is, the General was 85 year old in 1932 and wanted to retire from politic, but conservative politicians persuade him to run for another therm.
There is realistic opportunity that Von Hindenburg quit the Race in favor of Willhelm III and goes into retirement

but there many what if in this proposal and quite interesting ones
Like Reichs president Willhelm III vs Reichs chancellor Hitler
If Wilhelm does beck e president when does he do a Napoleon iiii?
 
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