Wif first crusade failed.

My question is that at Antioch after the crusaders took the city a massive Turkish army ammased to face them..... However one priest claimed he had found a relic known as the holy lance which completly turned the morale o Crusaders from defeat to fanatisims. They only had 200 horses but they rode out of Antioch and the Turks fled... So Wif the Saracens held ground and the Turkish archers mowed down the crusaders slaughtering all of them...... Bohemund, Godfried, Baldwin all get killed, how would this change events in our history and how different would the world have been today?:):)
 
Well, people will probably write the whole "crusade" thing off as an impractical overstretch, so I doubt their will be more. The Seljuk empire will likely fall apart around the same time as OTL. However, no Crusader states will butterfly away Saladin, which means the Fatimid Caliphate might last longer...though it was already in serious decline and would likely be overthrown by another Sunni Muslim. However, the Mameluke Sultanate will thus be butterfied, at least in its specific OTL form.

Also, the Renaissance might be delayed, due to less contact between Europe and the Mideast.
 
Well, people will probably write the whole "crusade" thing off as an impractical overstretch, so I doubt their will be more. The Seljuk empire will likely fall apart around the same time as OTL. However, no Crusader states will butterfly away Saladin, which means the Fatimid Caliphate might last longer...though it was already in serious decline and would likely be overthrown by another Sunni Muslim. However, the Mameluke Sultanate will thus be butterfied, at least in its specific OTL form.

Also, the Renaissance might be delayed, due to less contact between Europe and the Mideast.
how would this turn of dents effect the Byzantine empire?
 
how would this turn of dents effect the Byzantine empire?

Many of the surviving Crusaders will be enlisted into the Byzantine army, enabling Alexius to continue the restoration of much of the Anatolian lowlands, as OTL. However, Byzantium will be viewed as being even more treacherous and heretical by the West than she was historically. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Empire come under heavy and sustained attack from the West, probably with Papal blessing. How long the Empire is able to survive in this scenario is open to doubt: it all depends on what happens to the Turks. They may opt to become loyal vassals of Constantinople, or alternatively, they may spread into coastal Anatolia much more quickly than OTL.
 
The surviving Crusaders would be enlisted into the army as BG stated, granting Alexios the ability to use them to reconquer Anatolia from the Turkic tribes that have settled down recently.
 
I am digging info and I plan to make a TL on the first crusade..... Would you guys be interested basically what happens is that Alexius doesn't act as crafty as otl.... So I have all events like OTL till the oaths which he makes Bohemund, Godfried, and Baldwin take..... He promises them that if the crusaders help him gain back Anatolia he will give the crusaders food resources, and backing by the Roman army.... And they are allowed to keep any land outside Anatolia which they conquer.... So like Otl the crusaders lay siege to Nikea but Alxius tells the leaders of the crusade his plan to sieze the city like Otl seizure the crusaders threatean Nikea Nikea falls to the imperial crown Saving the lives of many crusaders..... Soon afterwords I plan to have Kilij Arslan meet directly in a pitched battle against the combined crusader Byzantine force and get soundly crushed leading to his death. With him dead the Sejuks of Rum fall apart into civil war and the combined Roman-Crusader army use divide and conquer to take over each minor Beylik.... Once Anatolia falls Alexius has his manpower base he agrees to aid crusaders, so the crusader lay seige to Antioch and conquer the same territory as otl but Alexius
acts craftily he makes a secret deal with the Turks promising them the return of the Holy land and lots of money should they attack the tired crusader army, so thousands of Turks rise up and invade the crusader states, with no Byzantine aid the crusaders realize they were tricked and fight to the death
the Saracens leading to heavy casulties while Alexius amasses a massive Roman army concripted from Anatolia and then once a clear victor emerges in the battle beetween saracens and Turks Alexius pounces with his massive army down on the Holy land meeting little ressistance and in one fell swoop he reconquers the Byzantine Levant which had been under muslim control for centuries.... This is the rough sketch I have worked out so far.... Is it plausable or is it completly ASB....:)
 
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