Wierdest Possiblle Royal Houses

kasumigenx · Jul 21, 2011

What weirdest possible royal house could appear in a random atl?

This mine is from a daydream
Habsburg-Bolkiah or Bolkiah-Habsburgs

Rulers of Bruneian-Mexican Empire
I know about the claims of the Bolkiah family on the Philippines if they regained their claimed territories plus the rest of the Philippines and converted to catholicism and married to the Habsburgs.

Ming-Yamato

I think the claims of the Ming could go to the Yamato clan once the legitimate male line is extinct if they intermarried each other

Bourbon-America

I think the Bourbons who are exiled from France could reform US to be a monarchy or carve a kingdom from US territory.

SavoyTruffle · Jul 21, 2011

Aside from the pretty plausible last one the others should be in ASB.

The Ubbergeek · Jul 21, 2011

A branch of the french royal familly in a world where New France lived much longer, or evolved to modern days, with the 'Dream Champlain realised (more, much more unions of whites (boys) and amerindians (women)) AND wed to... amerindian leaders?

Bourbons - Gros-Louis?

kasumigenx · Jul 22, 2011

The Ubbergeek said:
A branch of the french royal familly in a world where New France lived much longer, or evolved to modern days, with the 'Dream Champlain realised (more, much more unions of whites (boys) and amerindians (women)) AND wed to... amerindian leaders?

Bourbons - Gros-Louis?

I like Bourbons in ruling in America actually, some of the current pretenders to the French throne are quite attractive, I just wonder how would the members of the Bourbons in america would look like.

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

kasumigenx said:
What weirdest possible royal house could appear in a random atl?

This mine is from a daydream
Habsburg-Bolkiah or Bolkiah-Habsburgs

Rulers of Bruneian-Mexican Empire
I know about the claims of the Bolkiah family on the Philippines if they regained their claimed territories plus the rest of the Philippines and converted to catholicism and married to the Habsburgs.

I thought the Bolkiah Family only has claims to the south Philippines.

This seems unlike Because they would have to fight the Spanish for the Islands, and then the likelihood of Converting is....slim.

and then, considering much of this would be taking place in the 16th century, the likelihood of the Napoleon III's Mexican adventure and trying to put Maximillian on the throne is very unlikely.

Ming-Yamato

I think the claims of the Ming could go to the Yamato clan once the legitimate male line is extinct if they intermarried each other

Bourbon-America

I think the Bourbons who are exiled from France could reform US to be a monarchy or carve a kingdom from US territory.

These two might be more Plausible, but Unlikely.

the Ming-Yamato one would have to rely on a Good relationship, and a more Powerful Japan.
Not Impossible, but Not likely either.

the American Branch of the Bourbons is...possible. I do not, however, think it is possible for the Bourbons to take over what would already Be the USA.

Maybe a Bourbon Kingdom in Mexican territory, in roughly what would be Texas, but....unlikely.

The Ubbergeek · Jul 22, 2011

kasumigenx said:
I like Bourbons in ruling in America actually, some of the current pretenders to the French throne are quite attractive, I just wonder how would the members of the Bourbons in america would look like.

Improbable, but Bourbons-Hurons would be cool.,...

I wonder if... When the Manchus seizes China... Imagine the Last Ming or relatives fled to a close vassal of old.. Korea. They end up one day with a wedding of the Ming heir to the King/Emperor of Korea back then - Koguryo dynasty? - or a princess, or such...

Korean-Ming line.

SavoyTruffle · Jul 22, 2011

How about Bourbon Spanish America, like in LTTW?

The Ubbergeek · Jul 22, 2011

More improbable...
A Rajha or Maharajha, a king of an indian state, goes christian... and wed a noble or royal line of Europe's princess or something. British, Portugese or Franch.
You'd have something like a 'suntanned' blonde like Integra Hellsing of Hellsing (she have an indian ancestor)...

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

kasumigenx said:
I like Bourbons in ruling in America actually, some of the current pretenders to the French throne are quite attractive, I just wonder how would the members of the Bourbons in america would look like.

that's not much of a concern.
the Question would be How the Kingdom was established.

The Ubbergeek said:
I wonder if... When the Manchus seizes China... Imagine the Last Ming or relatives fled to a close vassal of old.. Korea. They end up one day with a wedding of the Ming heir to the King/Emperor of Korea back then - Koguryo dynasty? - or a princess, or such...

Korean-Ming line.

You would have to keep the Manchus from conquering the Koreans first.

a POD might be found in the Japanese invasion of Korea in the 1600s.
One of the Manchu tribes offered to help the Koreans and Ming, but was politely refused. at this point, the Manchu tribe leader noted how weak the Chinese Hold in the North was.

...and then the Manchu were able to unite the tribes, and Conquer Korea.

SavoyTruffle said:
How about Bourbon Spanish America, like in LTTW?

how did that come along?

kasumigenx · Jul 22, 2011

Fenrir_Angerboda said:
I thought the Bolkiah Family only has claims to the south Philippines.

This seems unlike Because they would have to fight the Spanish for the Islands, and then the likelihood of Converting is....slim.

and then, considering much of this would be taking place in the 16th century, the likelihood of the Napoleon III's Mexican adventure and trying to put Maximillian on the throne is very unlikely.

These two might be more Plausible, but Unlikely.

the Ming-Yamato one would have to rely on a Good relationship, and a more Powerful Japan.
Not Impossible, but Not likely either.

the American Branch of the Bourbons is...possible. I do not, however, think it is possible for the Bourbons to take over what would already Be the USA.

Maybe a Bourbon Kingdom in Mexican territory, in roughly what would be Texas, but....unlikely.

Bolkiahs have some claims to OTL Luzon and Sulu Sultanate(Zamboanga, Sulu archipelago and Palawan) but they primarily lost their empire because of the Spanish, I thought if they were converted to Catholicism they might have a chance to regain their empire and gain more territories and even ironically inherit Mexico from a royal marriage.

The Ubbergeek said:
Improbable, but Bourbons-Hurons would be cool.,...

I wonder if... When the Manchus seizes China... Imagine the Last Ming or relatives fled to a close vassal of old.. Korea. They end up one day with a wedding of the Ming heir to the King/Emperor of Korea back then - Koguryo dynasty? - or a princess, or such...

Korean-Ming line.

I like a Ming-Joseon Dynasty that would be cool as a Ming-Yamato Dynasty.

I sometimes think that the Ming-Yamato might claim the Qin inheritance as well.

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

kasumigenx said:
Bolkiahs have some claims to OTL Luzon and Sulu Sultanate(Zamboanga, Sulu archipelago and Palawan) but they primarily lost their empire because of the Spanish, I thought if they were converted to Catholicism they might have a chance to regain their empire and gain more territories and even ironically inherit Mexico from a royal marriage.

Unlikely.

I doubt the Spanish at the time would marry outside of Europe. Especially a former Muslim from what they would probably consider an Uncivilized part of the world.

SavoyTruffle · Jul 22, 2011

Fenrir_Angerboda said:
how did that come along?

Jacobin Wars. Essentially Spain is defeated and partitions, with the Spanish Bourbons fleeing to America.

And they get to return after reconquering Spain.

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

SavoyTruffle said:
Jacobin Wars. Essentially Spain is defeated and partitions, with the Spanish Bourbons fleeing to America.

And they get to return after reconquering Spain.

I think it Might be possible, but most of it would depend on the circumstances, and the natives.

Sumeragi · Jul 22, 2011

kasumigenx said:
Ming-Yamato

I think the claims of the Ming could go to the Yamato clan once the legitimate male line is extinct if they intermarried each other

Anyone understanding how succession works in East Asia would know the impossibility of this.

wilcoxchar · Jul 22, 2011

Iturbide-Norton

Thespitron 6000 · Jul 22, 2011

House of Rurik, Kings of England 1560 - 1698. OTL Ivan IV of Russia proposed to Elizabeth I once, and ITTL she accepted. A personal union between Muscovy and England is enacted.

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

Thespitron 6000 said:
House of Rurik, Kings of England 1560 - 1698. OTL Ivan IV of Russia proposed to Elizabeth I once, and ITTL she accepted. A personal union between Muscovy and England is enacted.

That....would Probably be the most Unstable union Ever.

The Ubbergeek · Jul 22, 2011

I thought Manchus NEVER conquered Korea - in otl...

How about... an il-Khan heir wedding with a distant muslim but still distant ruler like... the muslim west of Africa? o.o

Golden Horde khan or princess with an eastern european one, to get anti russians help?

Fenrir_Angerboda · Jul 22, 2011

The Ubbergeek said:
I thought Manchus NEVER conquered Korea - in otl...

They got the Koreans to Denounce their alliance to the Ming.
and Korea became a tributary state to the Qing, so it sort of counts.

The Ubbergeek · Jul 22, 2011

More odd ideas; alliance and marital union of the Koreans, Viets and/or Japaneses OR Ryukyus - the islands where an independant nation and kingdom once... against China?