WI: Worse Columbine?

Wendigo

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The shooting at Columbine was originally intended to be a bombing with shooting as a secondary method. Fortunately the bombs didn't detonate.

What if the bombs both in the cafeteria and the parking lot had detonated resulting in hundreds of deaths, becoming the worst attack in American history up to that point?

What effect would a far larger death toll have on the aftermath and the resulting public discussion as to the perpetrator's motives?

Would there be the same focus on gun control and how Harris and Klebold obtained their weapons?

Here's an excerpt from the book Columbine by Dave Cullen describing Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's original plan:

Eric designed at least seven big bombs, working off The Anarchist Cookbook he found on the Web. He chose the barbecue design: standard propane tanks, the fat, round white ones, eighteen inches tall, a foot in diameter, packing some twenty pounds of highly explosive gas. Bomb #1 employed aerosol cans for detonators, each wired up to an old-fashioned alarm clock with round metal bells on top. Step one was planting them in a park near Eric’s house, three miles from the school. That bomb could kill hundreds of people but was intended for only stones and trees. The attack was to begin with a decoy: rock the neighborhood and divert police. Every free minute raised the potential body count. The boys were going to double or triple McVeigh’s record. They estimated the damage variously as “hundreds,” “several hundred,” and “at least four hundred”—oddly conservative for the arsenal they were preparing.

Eric may have had another reason for the decoy plan. He was uncannily perceptive about people, and Dylan had been wavering. If Dylan was reticent, the decoy would help ease him in. It was a harmless explosive, no one would be hurt by it, but once they drove off, Dylan would be committed.

The main event was scripted in three acts, just like a movie. It would kick off with a massive explosion in the commons. More than six hundred students swarmed in at the start of “A” lunch, and two minutes after the bell rang, most of them would be dead. Act I featured two bombs, using propane tanks like the decoy. Each was strung with nails and BBs for shrapnel, lashed to a full gasoline can and a smaller propane tank, and wired to similar bell clocks. Each bomb fit snugly into a duffel bag, which Eric and Dylan would lug in at the height of passing-period chaos. Again, Dylan was eased into killing. Clicking over the alarm hinge was bloodless and impersonal. It didn’t feel like killing—no blood, no screams. Most of Dylan’s murders would be over before he faced them.

The fireball would wipe out most of the lunch crowd and set the school ablaze. Eric drew detailed diagrams. He spaced the bombs out but located them centrally, for maximum killing radius. They would sit beside two thick columns supporting the second floor. Computer modeling and field tests would later demonstrate a high probability that the bombs would have collapsed some of the second floor. Eric apparently hoped to watch the library and its inhabitants crash down upon the flaming lunchers.

As the time bombs ticked down, the killers would exit briskly and flare out across the parking lot at a ninety-degree angle. Each boy was to head for his own car, strategically parked about a hundred yards apart. The cars provided mobile base camps, where they would gear up to unleash Act II. Pre-positioning ensured optimal fire lanes. They had drilled the gear-ups repeatedly and could execute them rapidly. The bombs would detonate at 11:17, and the densely packed wing would crumble. As the flames leapt up, Eric and Dylan would train their semiautomatics on the exits and await survivors.

Act II: firing time. This was going to be fun. Dylan would sport an Intratec TEC-DC9 (a 9mm semiautomatic handgun) and a shotgun. Eric had a Hi-Point 9mm carbine rifle and a shotgun. They’d sawed the barrels off the shotguns for concealment. Between them, they’d carry eighty portable explosives—pipe bombs and carbon dioxide bombs that Eric called “crickets”—plus a supply of Molotov cocktails and an assortment of freakish knives, in case it came down to hand-to-hand combat. They’d suit up in infantry-style web harnesses, allowing them to strap much of the ammo and explosives to their bodies. Each had a backpack and a duffel bag to hump more hardware into the attack zone. They would tape flint matchstriker strips to their forearms for rapid-fire pipe-bomb attacks. Their long black dusters would go on last—for concealment and for looking badass. (Later, the dusters were widely referred to as trench coats.)

They planned to advance on the building as soon as the bombs blew. They’d be set back far enough to see each other around the corner—and just barely avoid the blast. They had devised their own hand signals to communicate. Every detail was planned; battle positions were imperative. The 250,000-square-foot school had twenty-five exits, so some survivors would escape. The boys could remain in visual contact and still cover two sides of the building, including two of the three main exits. Their firing lines intersected on the most important point: the student entrance, adjacent to the commons and just a dozen yards from the big bombs.

Positioning yourself at a right angle to the objective is standard U.S. infantry practice, taught to every American foot soldier at the Infantry School in Fort Benning, Georgia. Interlocking fire lanes, the military calls it. The target is constantly under fire from two sides, yet the assault team’s weapons are never pointed at confederates. Even if a shooter turns sharply to peg an escaping enemy, his squad mates are safe. From their initial positions, Eric and Dylan could sweep their gun barrels across a ninety-degree firing radius without endangering each other. Even if one shooter advanced more quickly, he would never violate his partner’s fire lane. It is both the safest and the most effective assault pattern of modern small-arms warfare.

This was the phase Eric and Dylan were savoring. It was also when they expected to die. They had little hope of witnessing Act III. Forty-five minutes after the initial blast, when the cops declared it was over, paramedics started loading amputees into ambulances, and reporters broadcast the horror to a riveted nation, Eric’s Honda and Dylan’s BMW would rip right through the camera crews and the first responders. Each car was to be loaded with two more propane devices and twenty gallons of gasoline in an assortment of orange plastic jugs. Their positions had been chosen to maximize both the firepower in Act II and the carnage in Act III. The cars would be close to the building, near the main exits—ideal locations for police command, emergency medical staging, and news vans. They would be just far enough from the building and each other to wipe out most of the junior and senior parking lots. Maximum body count: nearly 2,000 students, plus 150 faculty and staff, plus who knows how many police, paramedics, and journalists.

Eric and Dylan had been considering a killing spree for at least a year and a half. They had settled on the approximate time and location a year out: April, in the commons. They finalized details as Judgment Day approached: Monday, April 19. The date appeared firm. The boys referred to it twice matter-of-factly in the recordings they made in the last ten days. They did not explain the choice, though Eric discussed topping Oklahoma City, so they may have been planning to echo that anniversary, as Tim McVeigh had done with Waco.

The moment of attack was critical. Students liked to eat early, so “A” lunch was the most popular. The maximum human density anywhere, anytime in the high school occurred in the commons at 11:17. Eric knew the exact minute because he had inventoried his targets. He’d counted just 60 to 80 kids scattered about the commons from 10:30 to 10:50. Between 10:56 and 10:58, “lunch ladies bring out shit,” he wrote. Then lunch door 2 opened, and a “steady trickle of people” appeared. He recorded the exact moment each door opened, and body counts in minute-by-minute increments. At 11:10, the bell rang, fourth period ended, students piled into the hallways. Moments later, they rushed the lunch lines, fifty more every minute: 300, 350, 400, 450, 500-plus by 11:15. Eric and Dylan’s various handwritten timelines show the bombs scheduled to explode between 11:16 and 11:18. The final times are followed by little quips: “Have fun!” and “HA HA HA.”
 
By the gods... that kind of damage and death toll is insane...

Forget gun control, two kids with propane tanks just killed as many or more people than OTL 9/11. Expect a RADICAL response from DC and the public in reaction to a Columbine event like this.

Columbine wouldn't be a foot note, it would be a generational milestone. We'd have grown up with images of the Act III bombs tearing through news crews they way we did the plane hitting the North Tower in OTL. As to the kind of world such carnage would rought... Christ...
 
Their plans were hopelessly optimistic (thank god). They seem to have been poor bombmakers, to say the least. Incidentally, I've seen lots of claims about Columbine, including one where the ultimate goal was to go the Denver airport, hijack a plane, and fly it into a skyscraper 9/11 style.

Incidentally, by changing the shooting into a bombing, they'd still have to "beat" Andrew Kehoe of Bath School Disaster infamy. Expect Kehoe to be much more known since blowing up a school was already done, and that memory would be brought up more if it's the Columbine High School Bombing. I think they could've exceeded Kehoe's death toll, though if everything had gone "right". It might influence more school shooters to try school bombings or incorporate that into their attempts at mass murder. As a result, there might be some random injuries/deaths from homemade bombs done by people who envisioned following the Columbine example but ended up doing nothing but harming themselves in the process.

The April 20 date seems to be a deliberate reference to both McVeigh (one day after him for some reason or another IIRC) as well as Hitler (his birthday). April 20 could end up like how September 11 is engraved in American consciousness.

There was a thread here a bit ago titled something like "Worse Satanic Panic". I think if the Columbine killers had done that much worse, then you'd probably see Marilyn Manson (the person and the band) arrested on obscenity charges, considering how everyone linked them to the shooting. And that's just the start. Expect violent video games like Doom to fall under the radar too, especially since the killers were Doom fans.
 
What do you think the government would do?

Remember how Columbine caused a backlash against things ranging from video games to heavy metal?

This Uber Columbine would do to them what 9/11 did for air travel and Islam. Tipper Gore, Jack Thompson and Hillary Clinton are gonna have a field day with this shitstorm.

Expect schools around the country to be turned into closely controlled and monitored camps - apply TSA and anti-terror tactics to education. Maybe some watchlist of socially awkward or loner students. If schools felt like a prison before, well...

Patriot Act style intrusion and domestic survileance aimed at school kids - all for the good of the children of course.
 

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It might influence more school shooters to try school bombings or incorporate that into their attempts at mass murder. As a result, there might be some random injuries/deaths from homemade bombs done by people who envisioned following the Columbine example but ended up doing nothing but harming themselves in the process.

Generally, I agree, but every once in a while you'll get a person who's lucky enough to successfully make their own bomb for their mass murdering purposes. Now, whether they'll actually manage to use it depends on if they can get it past security put in place after a much worse Columbine, which is doubtful, but possible (after all, terrorists have gotten bombs on planes post-9/11).

One must wonder how this'll effect the many things that were blamed for Columbine IOTL - bullying, violent media, not enough gun control/too much gun control, mental health medication, Neo-Nazism, atheism, the goth subculture, and a thousand other things I probably missed.
 
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One must wonder how this'll effect the many things that were blamed for Columbine IOTL - bullying, violent media, not enough gun control/too much gun control, mental health medication, Neo-Nazism, atheism, the goth subculture, and a thousand other things I probably missed.

There would be attempts to ban most of the things (gun control, Nazis, atheism, goths, video games, whatever) and possibly more sane mental health medication.
 
I am going to say they would probably kill 10% of that number, still it would be on the scale of OKC and would go down with it as the second worse act of terrorism the US has ever seen. Propane would become highly regulated and much less common than what you see now days. That much is sure.
 
Also, if schools are overzealous now - I once got three days suspension for saying the word "killing" in grade school - how much would they be ITTL?
 
Very novel what if, I don't recall seeing this one before. Being a high school sophomore when this happened, I still have vivid memories of the cctv footage of Eric and Dylan methodically moving through the school, and I remember thinking how easily that could have happened at any school, including ours. Considering that even after OTL's attack our school temporarily banned trenchcoats and considered putting metal detectors at the entrances, an ATL attack like the one envisaged here would be a national trauma that would take decades to recover from. School in the US would undergo a profound transformation. You can bet the government and schools would come down on industrial/gothic music and violent video games like an anvil, and there'd probably be a witchhunt in schools to root out antisocial behavior. Propane and any other material involved in the bombing would be tightly regulated. On the other hand, considering the minor role guns would have played in this version of the attack, there'd be much less focus on gun control.

That description was absolutely chilling by the way.
 

Wendigo

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That description was absolutely chilling by the way.


Well Eric Harris the prominent partner of the duo who did pretty much all of the planning most likely was a psychopath. This is supported even more so by his writings where he talks about how much he hates humanity for being "inferior", wanted to literally kill every person in the world but him/Klebold, and other lovely and extremely hateful/violent topics. The idea of dominating people and killing obviously was something he enjoyed even more so than your average video gamer.

If he hadn't done Columbine he would have probably became a serial killer. Or a mass shooter as an adult.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...004/04/the_depressive_and_the_psychopath.html

http://www.acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal/journal.html
 
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Honestly, in terms of promoting action, I don't think that body count actually matters as much as the frequency of the events. To put it in perspective, if the planes were simply all blown up on 9/11, I'd wager that we'd still see the same effects as far as security is concerned.
 
I agree; while Eric Harris was a victim of bullying, he seems like a complete psychopath; IIRC, none of the victims who were killed were involved in bullying him...
 
I don't particularly like thinking about this but the plausible POD is to have Harris pick a better source than the Anarchist's Cookbook (most of what's in there is known not to work) and choose a different method of bomb construction. The guy was obsessed with McVeigh, so it would have been easy for him to find out about anfo (Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil) and use that, both because it's simpler and more power and it draws further parallels with the event he was hoping to "top." That's a very easy to manufacture device and would have been even more powerful than the propane. Makes me shudder.

As far as effects gun control is probably not a significant issue. The bombs will be what sticks in peoples' minds, not the guns. Expect all the non-gun control culture war issues that Columbine triggered hard in OTL to get even greater play as people in this thread have been saying.
 

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There would be attempts to ban most of the things (gun control, Nazis, atheism, goths, video games, whatever) and possibly more sane mental health medication.

How do you "ban" most of those things? What's likely to happen is that kids who fit the one of the criteria of Neo-Nazi, goth, violent, mentally ill, video game player, or bullied are likely to be put on watchlists like terror suspects, at least in the short term.

Ironically, this may allow other potential killers to go unnoticed until it's too late.

That description was absolutely chilling by the way.

It reminded me of the description of the bombs that were planted in buildings in the movie Fight Club, if I'm being honest. It's inherently chilling.
 
This is incredibly disturbing and yes, that level of planning is on another level. It's hard to not be thankful he wasn't a good bomb-maker. Wow.
 

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He also WAS a bully himself.

Of course it isn't known to what extant Eric and Dylan were bullied and to what extant they bullied others. According to Brooks Brown, who was friends with both of the gunmen, they were bullied quite frequently

What's so "inherently" chilling about it?

Listening to detiled descriptions of weapons and strategies that can kill scores of people is inherently chilling, whether it comes rom Fight Club or Columbine.
 
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