Wi:white victory = Russian warlord period

Could a white victory in the Russian civil war lead to china like warlord period with the different generals and factions fighting for power ?

How large would Poland get and could Ukraine stay independent in a Russian warlord period
 

B-29_Bomber

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How large would Poland get

How big?

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About this big.

GLORY TO GLORIOUS POLSKA!
 
Warlordism yes. Some sort of coalition government would likely be formed with a general in power.

Ukraine would likely hold all of its modern terriroty in the East. However Criema would remain Russian and the Poles would likely occup western Belarus and Ukraine.
 

Arkocento

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Could a white victory in the Russian civil war lead to china like warlord period with the different generals and factions fighting for power ?
There would be a Russian like warlord period, which occurred for the USSR
Basmachi Uprising, Sternberg, Nestor Makhno to name a few.


How large would Poland get and could Ukraine stay independent in a Russian warlord period
If Ukraine is independent, OTL Poland would probably be bigger, than any timeline Poland you would get from this Premise
 
Here's an idea that I hope I don't need to spin off a separate thread for: could there be a White Russian equivalent to the KMT? As in, a regime that while corrupt and often without popular support, is cohesive enough to rally around and get foreign backing for, and with at least a little bit of ideology and policy besides simply being anti-communist? Wait, was the Russian Provisional Government equivalent to the 1912 Republic of China, and does that make the SR/Mensheviks/Kadets equivalent to the KMT?
 
Here's an idea that I hope I don't need to spin off a separate thread for: could there be a White Russian equivalent to the KMT? As in, a regime that while corrupt and often without popular support, is cohesive enough to rally around and get foreign backing for, and with at least a little bit of ideology and policy besides simply being anti-communist? Wait, was the Russian Provisional Government equivalent to the 1912 Republic of China, and does that make the SR/Mensheviks/Kadets equivalent to the KMT?

Not quite what you want, but maybe a spin off from Japan's occupying Siberia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

Even is Japan pulls out more troops, they might help to prop up an independent Siberia? Combine this with Baron Ungern-Sternberg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg , keeping control of Mongolia and perhaps a union or alliance between these states?
 
I'm familiar with the idea from the Kaiserreich mod, I'm all up for intrigue in the Far East and in Siberia, but I still wanna know if a more mainstream and cohesive White Russian gov't could have formed in the west.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Not quite what you want, but maybe a spin off from Japan's occupying Siberia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_intervention_in_Siberia

Even is Japan pulls out more troops, they might help to prop up an independent Siberia? Combine this with Baron Ungern-Sternberg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg , keeping control of Mongolia and perhaps a union or alliance between these states?
Sternberg keeping control of Mongolia is not very likely. The Mongols would get tired of his antics quickly, they did OTL. And with the Whites winning he probably won't end up in Mongolia anyways.
 
Could a white victory in the Russian civil war lead to china like warlord period with the different generals and factions fighting for power ?

How large would Poland get and could Ukraine stay independent in a Russian warlord period

If Enver Enver Pasha survives longer, would he continue to try to form a Turanic Empire ?
 
Here's an idea that I hope I don't need to spin off a separate thread for: could there be a White Russian equivalent to the KMT? As in, a regime that while corrupt and often without popular support, is cohesive enough to rally around and get foreign backing for, and with at least a little bit of ideology and policy besides simply being anti-communist? Wait, was the Russian Provisional Government equivalent to the 1912 Republic of China, and does that make the SR/Mensheviks/Kadets equivalent to the KMT?

The SRs probably make the best analogy.
Or a big tent hybrid/mildly socialist White government rallied around the Union of Regeneration, which would probably have some similarities with both the KMT and early Sanation-era Poland.

I believe the Union of Regeneration actually represented one of the best chances for an enduring, stable, and reasonably popular (White) Russian government. But this doesn't mean it can't happen within a warlord context either.

In a warlord infestation scenario, I assume the Russian KMT's rivals would have been:
-a patchwork alliance of eastern Cossack autonomists, migrating ultra-monarchists, and closet Buryat nationalists in the Far East, led by Semenov; probably a blatant Japanese puppet.
-(possibly) Don Cossacks
-a Bolshevik holdover or random peasant republic buttressed by elements of the SRs' left wing
-separatists in or around Kyrghyzstan
-(possible) conservative officers + business class revolt centered in Omsk
-Ukrainian nationalist and/or atamans
-one or two additional separatist mini-warlords
 
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