WI Wallis Simpson dies before meeting Edward VIII, and E8 has children.

[Gukpard]

Edward VIII is the king of "What it could be", because he quit in less than a year. He resigned to marry a american divorcee, Wallis Simpson, and never had children, thus allowing George VI to be coronated and his daughter Elizabeth was crowned, and she still is the Queen of the United Kingdom and argably the most powerfull woman in the world.

Now here a question: Wallis Simpson is erased from history and so Edward VIII is coronated, he marries someone, this person is not important for the thread, and sucesfully produce heirs. My question is: Now that Edward VIII remains in power, what happens to George VI, remaining as Duke of York, to Elizabeth that is not the Queen on this scenario, and how would Edward VIII lead the United Kingdom along with the parliament and Churchill or Mountbatten during WWII and the cold war? What would be the more visible changes from the modern UK to the UK on this scenario? Would Britain keep newfoundland?

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I believe he was sterile due to child hood disease.

 

[ivanotter]

The major concern would be his (perceived) links to Nazism.

I misread the heading and read at is 'and having 8 children). Now THAT could be interesting all by itself.

Is it important who he should 'team up with'? I think it is rather crucial for the survival of the royal family, not necessarily for the conduct of the war though.

Here is a worthy bride:

María de las Mercedes de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans, Countess of Barcelona (Spanish: Doña María de las Mercedes Cristina Genara Isabel Luisa Carolina Victoria y Todos los Santos de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans 23 December 1910 – 2 January 2000) was the mother of Juan Carlos I from 1975 to 2014.

That means that she could have been the mother of the king of Spain with Edward being the father?

Or maybe the daughter of:
Arghutyan-Yerkaynabazuk, Mkhargrdzeli-Arghutashvili (Armenian: Արղության-Երկայնաբազուկ, Georgian: მხარგრძელი-არღუთაშვილი), later known as Argutinsky-Dolgorukov (Russian : Аргутинский-Долгоруков) was an Armeno-Georgian noble family whose double surname indicates their descent from Arghut (died 1506) and the family’s purported origin from the medieval house of Mkhargrdzeli (Zaqaryan-Zachariads). "Dolgorukov" is a direct Russian translation of "Mkhargdzeli", literally meaning in Georgian "a long-arm"

OK, just meant as a giggle on a lazy Sunday morning! (PS: what name would the heir to the English throne get? and who would be able to pronounce it?)

Ivan

 

[Some Bloke]

Maria's out, because she's a Catholic. She'd have to convert. He could do a George VI and marry the daughter of a leading aristocrat.

 

[Gukpard]

The major concern would be his (perceived) links to Nazism.

I misread the heading and read at is 'and having 8 children). Now THAT could be interesting all by itself.

Is it important who he should 'team up with'? I think it is rather crucial for the survival of the royal family, not necessarily for the conduct of the war though.

Here is a worthy bride:

María de las Mercedes de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans, Countess of Barcelona (Spanish: Doña María de las Mercedes Cristina Genara Isabel Luisa Carolina Victoria y Todos los Santos de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans 23 December 1910 – 2 January 2000) was the mother of Juan Carlos I from 1975 to 2014.

That means that she could have been the mother of the king of Spain with Edward being the father?

Or maybe the daughter of:
Arghutyan-Yerkaynabazuk, Mkhargrdzeli-Arghutashvili (Armenian: Արղության-Երկայնաբազուկ, Georgian: მხარგრძელი-არღუთაშვილი), later known as Argutinsky-Dolgorukov (Russian : Аргутинский-Долгоруков) was an Armeno-Georgian noble family whose double surname indicates their descent from Arghut (died 1506) and the family’s purported origin from the medieval house of Mkhargrdzeli (Zaqaryan-Zachariads). "Dolgorukov" is a direct Russian translation of "Mkhargdzeli", literally meaning in Georgian "a long-arm"

OK, just meant as a giggle on a lazy Sunday morning! (PS: what name would the heir to the English throne get? and who would be able to pronounce it?)

Ivan

Independent of these links on the worst case acenasce he would end like Bernhard of he Netherlands, a pre war axis sympatizer who turned against them after the war began. Now, how would his extended reign look like, if he dies in the 1980s as otl, and how Elizabeth would be on this scenario since she would not be the Queen?

 

[JamesBond88]

I believe he was sterile due to child hood disease.

Assuming this is the case then he'll rule until his death at which point Elizabeth ascends to the throne, assuming her father dies roughly on schedule, which I imagine he would. He was known as a playboy in his time, so I wonder how he'd handle the whole "being King" business. If he does alright, and ushers the country through the war then, barring scandal, things are pretty uneventful. The monarchy would probably be a bit less popular as Elizabeth wouldn't be reigning for as long, but overall things would probably be about the same. If he's scandal ridden on the other hand, I could see him abdicating in shame and, if it's post-~1952, Elizabeth having to pick up the pieces.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

Independent of these links on the worst case acenasce he would end like Bernhard of he Netherlands, a pre war axis sympatizer who turned against them after the war began. Now, how would his extended reign look like, if he dies in the 1980s as otl, and how Elizabeth would be on this scenario since she would not be the Queen?

He died in 1972. Edward, the Duke of Windsor was a invalid prior to that. So, eventually "Shirley Temple" becomes Queen.

The thing is, David was just not a good person. I don't know how much you know of him, but he was not a good man, Good King or Emperor and never got better.

Either way, so long as he plays nice with the war, and the 2nd SS doesn't hang out in Picadilly, then things stays fine.

@JamesBond88 Mr. Bond, I agree with your guess that EII becomes Sovereign, who else does? The thing is I think that Philip Mountbatten (late Prince of Greece and Admiral of the Fleet) is not the Duke of Edinburgh.

I suspect that she could have married the 7th Earl of Carnavon aka Porchy. So you have a very English family that is quite different from the current Royals.

Or at least that's the view from this Country boy in Texas.

 

[JamesBond88]

He died in 1972. Edward, the Duke of Windsor was a invalid prior to that. So, eventually "Shirley Temple" becomes Queen.

The thing is, David was just not a good person. I don't know how much you know of him, but he was not a good man, Good King or Emperor and never got better.

Either way, so long as he plays nice with the war, and the 2nd SS doesn't hang out in Picadilly, then things stays fine.

@JamesBond88 Mr. Bond, I agree with your guess that EII becomes Sovereign, who else does? The thing is I think that Philip Mountbatten (late Prince of Greece and Admiral of the Fleet) is not the Duke of Edinburgh.

I suspect that she could have married the 7th Earl of Carnavon aka Porchy. So you have a very English family that is quite different from the current Royals.

Or at least that's the view from this Country boy in Texas.

I'm not sure about the Consort issue, because Elizabeth and Philip met as a result of her father, then the King, touring different places, which eventually put them in the same place. ITTL her dad would still be the heir, and would have a fair amount of duties regardless. It's quite possible things happen as they did, and they meet and promptly hit it off. However, if we let butterflies take over, they never meet and, as you say, she marries the other fellow. Her potential relationship with Carnavon is actually mentioned briefly in the Netflix show "The Crown," although I have no idea how serious they were in reality.

 

[Shanghai61]

I'm not sure about the Consort issue, because Elizabeth and Philip met as a result of her father, then the King, touring different places, which eventually put them in the same place. ITTL her dad would still be the heir, and would have a fair amount of duties regardless. It's quite possible things happen as they did, and they meet and promptly hit it off. However, if we let butterflies take over, they never meet and, as you say, she marries the other fellow. Her potential relationship with Carnavon is actually mentioned briefly in the Netflix show "The Crown," although I have no idea how serious they were in reality.

And we shouldn't overlook how ambitious Philip's uncle Louis Mountbatten was. He pushed for Philip to marry Elizabeth, pushed for a change of name for the Royal House to Mountbatten-Windsor (that way round), and finally pushed for his granddaughter Amanda Knatchbull to marry Charles. He was quite a piece of work.

 

[desmirelle]

E8 did not want to be king. He wanted the fame, the adulation; but fuck the responsibilities. On foreign tours he was forever late for official duties because he'd been up partying the night before. He told several people (including sister-in-law Elizabeth - something along the lines of prepare to go to Buck House) that he didn't like "princing", he didn't want to be king. And then he met an ambitious American who would spend the rest of her life denying she wanted to be Queen, when all she had to do stop the rumors was withdraw her divorce petition (filed in Oct 1936).

And he and his younger brother Bertie both had mumps at the most dangerous time for young men: puberty. Bertie had a less severe case, but decades later, guys who saw the future E8 in the locker room said he had no hair where he ought to for a man. In all probability, David (as the family called him) was sterile.

And then there's his refusal or inability to understand the monarchy is not a political position; prior to his Kingship he was several times reprimanded for making politically-toned comments or statements. He defended Hitler AFTER WW2. One of the best thing to happen to UK was that ambitious American woman.