WI:Wallace stays Moderate.

I'm sure we've all heard about the overtly racist governor of Alabama,but,did you know,during his run for Governor,he was actually a moderate on the issue of civil rights? Okay,so say he manages to win in '58 through a number of ways and becomes Governor earlier.How would this affect Wallace's career, and American Politics through the 60's and even 70's without a racist George Wallace?
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If He stays a moderate he could go any were from a conservative democrat to a new southern democrat such as Carter. However since he lacks the support he had as an extremist then it is likely there is no presidential campaign in 1968. As a result Humphrey wins (narrowly) against Nixon. Nixon would still use the Souther Strategy, though a few more populist southerners may remain in the Democratic party
 
He's not elected Governor of Alabama for the first time for quite a while longer, if at all.
 
Well. . . he was a "moderate." Still pro-segregation, but only to the extent that it suited him politically. (This I've said before, that Wallace's only political belief was whatever was good for George Wallace.) So while he's a moderate for Alabama in 1958, that is tempered by the fact that he is still a Southern governor in Alabama. I'd say ITTL he's still pro-segregation, just not a race-baiter. There is no way Wallace will be be casting in his lot with MLK or the freedom riders.

Further, as was noted by mr1940s above, any moderation probably undermines his political career. There isn't another option for him in Alabama until Hill retires in 1968, and by that point Wallace is going to be completely irrelevant to the south. Assuming everything else remains unchanged, the push for Civil Rights in the 1960s is still going to stir up radical reactionary sentiments throughout the south. Wallace is out of office in 1962, probably replaced with one of those reactionaries. His message of genteel segregation is going to be overshadowed by the likes of Lester Maddox or the next-in-line Alabama governor. Johnson won't pick him in 1964, and by 1968 he's a political footnote and off Humphrey's radar as a VP choice. Unless he radicalizes along with the rest of the south, he won't be able to win either that 1968 senate seat or the governor's mansion again until at least the 1970's.

So that's it for elective office, what about executive appointments. Well, he could be a judge, but that's kind of a boring ending (even if it is the most likely). The best he can hope for is to end up as Undersecretary of Irrelevance in Johnson's administration or a future Humphrey or other Democratic administration.
 

Japhy

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Just betUse he didn't campaign in 1958 on a heavy segregation platform does not mean that he was a crypto-liberal, no matter what many of this site dream. :rolleyes:
 
Just betUse he didn't campaign in 1958 on a heavy segregation platform does not mean that he was a crypto-liberal, no matter what many of this site dream. :rolleyes:
If being a liberal would have benefited him politically, then Wallace would have been a liberal. Hell, he would have been a socialist if it means his chances at power improves! Wallace was essentially the true populist, willing to believe anything if it means power. He was not a liberal, he was not a conservative. He was George Wallace.
 

Japhy

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If being a liberal would have benefited him politically, then Wallace would have been a liberal. Hell, he would have been a socialist if it means his chances at power improves! Wallace was essentially the true populist, willing to believe anything if it means power. He was not a liberal, he was not a conservative. He was George Wallace.

Sources to support the "fact" he didn't support Segregation?

This is a nice little handwoven but it doesn't change his record. In 1958 he was not neutral or quiet on the issue of civil rights. Not being loudly vocal about it doesn't change that, he is not some completely mailable figure you can poke into whatever shape you'd like.
 
Sources to support the "fact" he didn't support Segregation?

This is a nice little handwoven but it doesn't change his record. In 1958 he was not neutral or quiet on the issue of civil rights. Not being loudly vocal about it doesn't change that, he is not some completely mailable figure you can poke into whatever shape you'd like.

Well,it was a matter of comparison during '58.Wallace's main opponent,John Malcom Patterson had received an endorsement from the KKK, Wallace,on the other hand,got an endorsement from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
 

Japhy

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Well,it was a matter of comparison during '58.Wallace's main opponent,John Malcom Patterson had received an endorsement from the KKK, Wallace,on the other hand,got an endorsement from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

And the NAACP was always supportive of the lesser if two evils in that context. Is there any source showing Wallace thanking them for the enforcement I'd concede the point.
 
As Japhy and others said, Wallace wasn't a moderate on segregation. He just wasn't as ideologically aggressive about it as Patterson in 1958. Given the electorate's mood that year I'm having trouble picturing a Wallace win.
 
The man

A few thoughts tentatively offered, not as authoritative by any means, although based on past reading and research.

However you build an alternative history of Wallace's career, I think you have to begin with Wallace's personality. I don't think it's historically accurate to say he had no central core compelling beliefs -- Communism, for instance, would never have been on his platform -- but his core derived from an inner psychological turbulence that limited his ranges of choices within a narrow frame of populist, often statist positions, and reprehensibly included seizing upon vocal racism.

And the latter, yes, certainly was opportunistic, occurring at a time and a generation after conservative southern intellectuals had rejected it, albeit provoking no comparable action among any successful active politicians in the region then or for decades to come.

A few points:

(1) He was a gifted demagogue in OTL, who used divisiveness adroitly to his advantage. The effects of his narrative of his times reverberate today in terribly destructive ways, audibly clashing against continuing echoes of the equally artificial (and divisive) mythology of the New Left; it is well past time we try to rehabilitate either group of horror-show fantasists.

(2) From the 1950s, into the 1970s, Wallace fed naturally off of easily-stoked impulses born of resentment, because he was a cauldron of personal resentment going back into his childhood. He was quite smart, could be very charming and was hard working, but he had drilled into him from childhood that he would never be one of the manor-born elite who stage-managed Alabama politics. He could -- however -- become their puppet, and then develop a relationship with Alabama voters with which to carve out personal independence in defiance of the industrial-legal-banking-state patronage complex in Birmingham.

(3) He began with a social-economic populism, but any POD that would have made a consistently non-racist George Wallace more than a footnote to history would have to begin decades before his entry into Alabama politics. He realized that very quickly and was handed the statehouse for ramping up racist divisive "cracker popularism" in his stump speeches.

(4) Because of the bubble in which they live (even back then before 24/7 faux journalism), career politicians suffer from forms of arrested development, psychologically, intellectually and ideologically. In the mid-60s, Wallace stumbled into national prominence based on vocalizing fears he did not create, but willingly exploited, yet he was not quite sure what to make of those distinct from his now confirmed faith in racial conflict.

(5) However, by 1972 he was finally coming to see that those fears could be separated from appeals against "race mixing." He focused instead on the cultural popularism he'd improvised during the 1968 campaign (e.g., his famous "only two four-letter words" speech about "hippies"). He was still evolving an understanding of how the economic popularism of his youth might in fact be fashioned into a strong plank in 1972, again addressing fears born of the intuition common to those living paycheck to paycheck as to what that decade would bring economically. Studies have shown that Robert Kennedy's own '68 draw included substantial portions of the same working class white demographic that Wallace sought as a national base. Had RFK lived and been nominated, he would have cut into Wallace's electoral vote. Instead, that sector of RFK's support split between Nixon and Wallace. Wallace's extraordinary political antennae picked that up, causing him to run hard in 1972, and to be of some concern to Richard Nixon in the early going. At that point, of course, a fellow wandering around from rally to rally seeking someone to shoot realized Wallace's security was not nearly up to the president's level.

(6) It is a matter of dispute about which I'm not qualified to speculate whether his shift away from the racist rhetorical stance was purely opportunistic, born of maturity slowly developing within the politician's bubble, or a mixture of the two. I will only observe that people are complex. It is also impossible to say definitely whether the contrite Wallace who returned to power in the "New South" was the result of revelations taken to heart from his own suffering and physical disability (which became his narrative). It was, however, consistent with the restless populist resentment of power elites that first took him into politics, and for that reason alone, he remained in a Democratic Party enthralled by the post-McGovern Reforms era.

(7) Whatever inner peace he did or did not find by reconciliation of his past with his present during his final years, it remains the case that his past continues to haunt America. Personally, I think that when Mr. Booth pulled a pistol at the Ford Theater, we likely lost the last best opportunity to avoid a post-Civil War South in the only successful politicians of his era would be what he became. An "alternative Wallace" would have been an unelectable Wallace, and while not purely opportunistic, the last thing he would let himself do was fail. He signed onto a racist populism that had not actually always existed, did not need to exist in his present, and which he ultimately set aside rather than rely upon forever. Yet his declaration at the schoolhouse door remains the moment defining him.

The best that can be said of Wallace's career OTL is that he ultimately brought southern popularism back to its socio-economic roots. But given the ruins he left behind, still haunted by ravenous ghosts, I don't think that is nearly enough to redeem him.
 
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Quick Wallace VP pick fun facts

1. In 1968, Wallace's presidential campaign courted Harland David Sanders of Kentucky, but "the Colonel" replied he wasn't interested in running as Wallace's VP candidate. His business model closely resembled that of Lester Maddox (fried chicken at good prices) but -- unlike the Georgia governor -- he let black people eat in his restaurants and wasn't eager to suggest otherwise.

2. Ike's Secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson replied with interest, but withdrew from consideration after other high ranking Mormon Church officials told him he would have to resign from his own position and could expect to be publicly disowned if he ran with Wallace.

3. Obsessed with "border South" electoral votes, and desperately seeking a respectable partner, Wallace's staff persuaded him to offer the slot to Kentucky ex-Governor "Happy" Chandler, the former Commissioner of Major League Baseball who had harbored presidential ambitions for decades. Since not even Wallace saw himself doing anything more than brokering between two electoral vote pluralities, it's possible Chandler thought he could negotiate a position of national strength for his return to the Democratic Party. However, the point was mooted when Wallace insiders revolted against Chandler, who had integrated his state and broke bread commonly with liberal Democrats.

4. Finally, Wallace brought in Curtis E. LeMay after the former Air Force general was assured that the Hunt Family fortune would compensate him for lost income (as it cost him his job with a technology firm). LeMay famously upstaged his running mate's foreign policy remarks; when Wallace talked about reviewing the situation in Vietnam and withdrawing all American troops if he couldn't be shown a plan to win the war in three months, LeMay announced a plan to obliterate Hanoi with nuclear weapons.
 
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If He stays a moderate he could go any were from a conservative democrat to a new southern democrat such as Carter. However since he lacks the support he had as an extremist then it is likely there is no presidential campaign in 1968. As a result Humphrey wins (narrowly) against Nixon. Nixon would still use the Souther Strategy, though a few more populist southerners may remain in the Democratic party
I think Wallace took more votes away from Nixon than Humphrey.
 
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