WI: Visigothic "Kingdom" near OTL Murcia Post Arabic Conquest of Spain

In OTL, Theodemir was a Visigothic Noble in Carthagenensis that fought the Arab invaders for two years before making peace with them in the Treaty of Orihuela, which confirmed the rights of Christians in several cities under Theodemir's princely jurisdiction:

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What if Theodemir had been more successful at fending off the Arabs in OTLs region of Murcia and was able to establish a Mediterranean companion to Asturias in the form of a Kingdom? Murcia itself wasn't founded for another 100 years so I doubt that would end up being the name of the kingdom in any event.
 
There would be huge changes to the Iberian languages, for one thing. I don't think that there wouldn't any Arabic influence on Spanish and Portuguese, since neighboring tongues almost always change each other. There would certainly be a lot less influence though. Another interesting consequence would be if an Iberian state went on to colonize the Western Hemisphere, there wouldn't be the model of the Reconquista to use for colonization
 
There would be huge changes to the Iberian languages, for one thing. I don't think that there wouldn't any Arabic influence on Spanish and Portuguese, since neighboring tongues almost always change each other. There would certainly be a lot less influence though. Another interesting consequence would be if an Iberian state went on to colonize the Western Hemisphere, there wouldn't be the model of the Reconquista to use for colonization

But this is still a small Spanish state, smaller than Asturias, in fact. So they would still need to participate in the Reconquista. It would just be a reconquest from the east while Asturias comes down from the North.
 
There would be huge changes to the Iberian languages, for one thing. I don't think that there wouldn't any Arabic influence on Spanish and Portuguese, since neighboring tongues almost always change each other. There would certainly be a lot less influence though.

Another aspect of impact on Spanish languages is that the language arising out of Cartagenensis won't be impacted by Basque the way that Castilian Spanish was
 
There would be huge changes to the Iberian languages, for one thing. I don't think that there wouldn't any Arabic influence on Spanish and Portuguese, since neighboring tongues almost always change each other. There would certainly be a lot less influence though. Another interesting consequence would be if an Iberian state went on to colonize the Western Hemisphere, there wouldn't be the model of the Reconquista to use for colonization
You're overestimating the influence of Arabic in OTL iberian languages. There is no sign of significant change in the vulgar latin spoken there that can be attributed to arab influence, except for loanwords, which are in general also common for other european languages

The only dialect that was significantly changed was the latin spoken in andalucia and valencia, the one we now refer to as mozarab, which is now extinct.

Considering the ummayad invasion is stopped, I think the diversity of languages in spain is better preserved and, perhaps, becomes even greater, unless there's a large unifying kingdom, i.e castille in OTL.
 
Considering the ummayad invasion is stopped, I think the diversity of languages in spain is better preserved and, perhaps, becomes even greater, unless there's a large unifying kingdom, i.e castille in OTL.

It's not stopped altogether. They just fail to conquer this small part of Spain's eastern coast. Either that or Theodemir decides to revolt the same time Pelayo does in Asturias and has his own Covandonga.
 
It's not stopped altogether. They just fail to conquer this small part of Spain's eastern coast. Either that or Theodemir decides to revolt the same time Pelayo does in Asturias and has his own Covandonga.
That probably means the arabs would onlybe able to consolidate their power in the lands south of the tagus. It also butterflies their raids into france, since now they have to worry about christian incursions from the east and the north.
 
That probably means the arabs would onlybe able to consolidate their power in the lands south of the tagus. It also butterflies their raids into france, since now they have to worry about christian incursions from the east and the north.

Well the Asturian rebellion began during the invasion of France. I guess if we have Theodomir deciding to revolt at the same time and succeeding, we can still have the Arabic events up to that time and achieve the independent state in part of Cartagenensis.
 
Excuse me...but.. what would stop the invaders from returning later on to finish Theodomir? He had not the ground advantages that Pelayo had in the north of the Pennsula.

Just because of the strategic importance of Cartagena, for instance, Abd el Aziz would not let the matter fall into oblivio.
 
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