wi Victoria lives to 100

[Derek Jackson]

I suspect this requires pre 1900 pods but still it is not ASB (Looking at her relatives longevity)

1) How does she deal with the House of Lords crises?

2) Without Edward is the Entente Cordiale less likely?

3) Can she persuade her grandson (Willy the stupid aka Kaiser Bill), to be less provocative?

 

[Lalli]

Queen Victoria hardly can do much. Monarchs haven't very much influence for foreign politics anymore.

 

[zert]

Queen Victoria hardly can do much. Monarchs haven't very much influence for foreign politics anymore.

I might say, if she is not senile and has the ability to communicate, that she might still have some influence. She would have been on the throne over 80 years and saw her country grow to a world spanning Empire. Depending on which party is in power, they might give her some credence.

 

[johnboy]

Queen Victoria hardly can do much. Monarchs haven't very much influence for foreign politics anymore.

You forget Kaiser Bill was her Grandson and she was the one person he respected. The Kaiser in 1914 called the shots so she certainly had influence

 

[deathscompanion1]

You forget Kaiser Bill was her Grandson and she was the one person he respected. The Kaiser in 1914 called the shots so she certainly had influence

That's news to me. I mean what with his generals tossing away his instructions to the Austrians to hold back. Or during the war itself when he was rapidly sidelined and then used as a scape goat.

 

[Meadow]

That's news to me. I mean what with his generals tossing away his instructions to the Austrians to hold back. Or during the war itself when he was rapidly sidelined and then used as a scape goat.

I think you've run away with yourself a bit there. The Kaiser was neither the Tsar nor King George when it came to power within his country, but he was closer to the former.

 

[CalBear]

The Kaiser apparently adored his Grandmother, came close to worshiping the ground she walked.

No way on Earth he goes to war if she's still alive.

He would also not have had his ego driven competition with Edward, so no naval arms race. While it is likely that a "Great War" among the powers was unavoidable, it would certainly have been delayed.

 

[Jonathan]

Adding 19 years on to her life, killing her off in 1920 will change the world dramatically.

She would have allowed the Russian Tsar to come over to Britain, saving her Granddaughter and putting her family's safety first over what the public "might" do.

WWI would happen but Victoria would advice Kiaser Wilhelm to leave belgium (her late husbands homeland) and just go straight into France. So WWI would be just a European War looking like - Germany, Austria and Italy Vs France, Serbia, Russia and Ottoman

Leading to the true global WWI being Western Monarchies (with ill advised Japanese Empire) going to war with the Soviet Union, Communism China, communist puppet states and later the United States of America (after Pearl Harbour.)

Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich would be looked after so he is raised up long enought to be married and bare a healthy heir.

His Royal Highness Prince Edward of Cornwall and York, the future King Edward VIII, would be married off to Russian Grand Duchess Olga. No constitution crises.

 

[deathscompanion1]

I think you've run away with yourself a bit there. The Kaiser was neither the Tsar nor King George when it came to power within his country, but he was closer to the former.

Perhaps. But I've spent the last few months studying German Nationalism for A level and the interpretation that appears to win out about willy is that his brain damage and personality made him more or less a puppet. He would rather have his friends dress as ballerinas or make dramatic speeches than actually effectively run the country.

If the Army, Industrialists etc. decide they need to go to war they will convince him of that even if only until he speaks to the next person who thinks its a bad idea but by then as OTL shows they will happily ignore or misinterpret his instructions to do what they feel is right.

 

[Kaisermuffin]

You guys are all forgetting the massive MASSIVE thing here.

The Boer War goes on for longer, the British refuse to give any concessions to the Boers and integrate South Africa as a crown colony. British troops may or may not receive the same level of tactical reform they had after the Boer conflict - a move back to 'Imperial Policing' the newly captured territories in SA might stymie any reforms there, which could have dire consequences for the B.E.F. if they ever get deployed.

The Belle Epoque is perhaps a bit less shiny but it's more likely that a Victoria in the mold of the current (bloody-immortal) British monarch may well defuse tensions on the continent whilst she remains alive. As it's been said, Kaiser Bill likely couldn't bring himself to tell his granny he's declaring war on her. This would also have ramifications for German South-West Africa (Namibia) - the genocide committed there could be covered up more completely, and the Herero and Nama peoples could really suffer more than they did OTL. Germany also retains her Schutztruppe for longer, meaning a certain Austrian corporal never gains a crate of surplus ones to use as uniforms for his pseudomilitaristic power fantasy club (though perhaps he might get invited to the Viennese Academy, or die in a brawl with a burly Georgian).

Russia might survive longer too, since Tsarevich Alexei might manage to live to majority. Alternatively he might die but the Tsarina becomes pregnant and gives birth to another boy. This 'Romanov' is actually the offspring of Rasputin, giving the Russian Tsars a penchant for madness, though by a quirk of genetics the new Tsarevich is not a hemophiliac!

(source for rasputin screwing Alexandra)

Even after Alexandra was told by the director of the national police that a drunk Rasputin exposed himself at a popular Moscow restaurant and bragged to the crowd that Nicholas let him top his wife whenever he wanted, she blamed it on malicious gossip.

I leave this in the capable hands of others from this point ;D

 

[Emperor Charles V]

This looks like a great idea for a TL I could write! What do you think would be the impact this would have on American politics?

 

[Kaisermuffin]

This looks like a great idea for a TL I could write! What do you think would be the impact this would have on American politics?

Uhmm... you could blame the Wall Street crash on erratic British stockbrokers after her death? Or argue that the American gilded age falters in the face of continued economic pressure from Germany + other European nations who don't have to fight a war between 1914-1918 (we could keep the A-H mess a local affair, or be a Russo-Austrian job, with Granny leaning on Bill to keep his hands out of the mess).

Assuming that American economic growth slows in the late part of the 1910's due to peak consumer goods and tighter export market situation might prompt increasingly militant unionism, perhaps a Redvolution in the USA if you wanna go ASB

 

[Tovarich]

This 'Romanov' is actually the offspring of Rasputin, giving the Russian Tsars a penchant for madness, though by a quirk of genetics the new Tsarevich is not a hemophiliac!

It doesn't work like that, it isn't like inheriting the family estate.

If it did, I'd be the one on enough Lithium to down an elephant, as rightful heir to our father's 'penchant' (!) for being in-&-out of the nuthatch like a yoyo, rather than my younger brother.

 

[Kaisermuffin]

Maybe it skips a generation? Or maybe it never sticks. I just thought it an amusing idea writers could play with. What if in the 1990's, DNA sequencing on the royal house is performed and the biggest scandal of the century is that the current Tsar is the grandson of Rasputin?!

 

[Tovarich]

Maybe it skips a generation? Or maybe it never sticks. I just thought it an amusing idea writers could play with. What if in the 1990's, DNA sequencing on the royal house is performed and the biggest scandal of the century is that the current Tsar is the grandson of Rasputin?!

Ah, I get you now, sorry I was a bit snappy.

Yes it could certainly make a fun story to read.

 

[Jonathan]

This looks like a great idea for a TL I could write! What do you think would be the impact this would have on American politics?

well in 19 years your looking at least four terms of their presidents. I can see her and Theodore Roosevelt getting on with each other like two old friends.
It would only be a professional relation with Woodrow Wilson but not with William Taft who would be frosty with each other.

 

[wietze]

it would of course matter what kept her alive longer.

She got a big hit when her husband Albert died, if he stays alive longer, i could imagine that things will be better and happier for her.