WI Very Aggressive Russia at the start of WW1.

In this scenario, Russia invades Germany before the Schlieffen plan could get implemented leading to Germany focusing on the east while defending its short border with France. What Happens next France isn't going to invade Belgium so how would the British enter the war, also would Italy remain neutral if not which side would it join, and as for the Ottomans how would they preform if they're not fight the British.
 
How would the Russians be any faster then OTL? There they already rushed the job.

Also where would they get the additional troops they needed? Because given the relative streanght of Austria-Hungary and the offensive into Galizia there, less troops could theoreticaly see them succed.
 
Literally impossible unless you change something. The Russians could not have gone faster, and the point of the Schliefen plan was to act before Russia could act against them, and take advantage of the glacial pace of their mobilization.
 

jahenders

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Agreed. The way the Russians reacted was considered "very aggressive/fast" compared to what Germany (and others) were expecting. It's hard to imagine the Russians doing anything constructive any faster.

It seems rather more likely that they'd move slower (as predicted)

Literally impossible unless you change something. The Russians could not have gone faster, and the point of the Schliefen plan was to act before Russia could act against them, and take advantage of the glacial pace of their mobilization.
 
How would the Russians be any faster then OTL? There they already rushed the job.

Easiest way would be to order general mobilization in a season where the Germans cannot execute the Schlieffen Plan due to weather conditions, so either in deep snow or deep mud.
 

LordKalvert

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Its hard to speed up the Russians advance into East Prussia but by very aggressive you mean willing to take great risks there are options

Zhilinsky could have pushed ahead with the full complement of 1st and 2nd Armies instead of whittling away about 11 divisions in useless rear duties. Even better if he would have, once it was obvious the main thrust was west, stripped the northern fortresses of their mobile artillery and sent it ahead

With moves like that, the Russians are likely to actually win Tannenberg. Whether the Germans fall back behind the Vistula or allow themselves to be destroyed is up to the local commanders

If the Germans retire behind the Vistula, the Russians secure their northern flank, spare themselves hundreds of thousands of casualties and prevent any serious damage from the German breakthrough at Gorlice-Tarnow.

If the Germans get trapped in East Prussia, the Russians force a rapid end to the Schefflien Plan as the Germans are going to have to find two armies instead of two corps to deal with the East
 
Easiest way would be to order general mobilization in a season where the Germans cannot execute the Schlieffen Plan due to weather conditions, so either in deep snow or deep mud.

But that would mean the Russians had ordered general mobilization back in April/May, before the crisis that led to WW1 had even begun.
 
But that would mean the Russians had ordered general mobilization back in April/May, before the crisis that led to WW1 had even begun.
Perhaps Archduke Ferdinand's trip to Sarajevo (or a different crisis; it's not like there were any shortage of flashpoints in the period leading up to the war) happens earlier?
 
Any one who considered that an earlier Russian mobilization would bring an earlier WW1 in June if it provokes Germany and Austria-Hungary?
I thought that was the point; making the mobilization and lead-up to war happen while the weather prevents a rapid German advance?
 
And the CP will just sit back and twiddle their thumbs? Not gona happen. Because in OTL the Russians somewhat fudged the mobilisation declaration with a "Time Preparatory to War". So they realy started first and early.
 
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