WI USSR joins NATO in 1954?

They offered to join in that year. So what if they had been admitted? What would it take for them to be admitted and what would the effects be?
 
Hilarty ensues when everyone realizes that this is not within the realm of existence and the ASBs make Gary Coleman in a cyborg suit President of Argentina while Pamela Anderson is made Fuher of France.
 
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=142216


WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Nah im kidding, it made me laugh honestly, 4 more minutes and you could have ran screaming into my thread.

Lol, im wondering if you read it from the same place i did. Well obviously who ever supported letting the Soviet Union in is going to get alot of flak from there former allies. They would never get along and the USSR would probably pull out, but maybe you get better relations between NATO/USSR later, which is good.
 
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NATO existed for the defense against the USSR so I seriously doubt that the USSR would want to join the capitalist west and I don't think that NATO would want the Communist Soviet Union to join their defense pact.
 
NATO existed for the defense against the USSR so I seriously doubt that the USSR would want to join the capitalist west and I don't think that NATO would want the Communist Soviet Union to join their defense pact.
Remember this is Post-Stalin and pre-warsaw, the USSR wanted peace and Khrushchev thought that if the USSR was allies again they could prevent an invasion of Russia.
I blame this thread on The Chosen End.
I was reading that too, which is why i made my thread also lol.
 
Er... uh.... duuuhhhhh.... How does that work? I don't think it's as simply as insert coin and then pull lever.
 
It could only work if another alliance is then created to replace nato.
Thus making nato rather useless.
 
As I understand it the USSR's application was to show the nature of NATO. In theory collective security is an alliance of everyone against ANY aggressor and is different from an alliance system to protect a defined group of states.

NATO called itself a collective security organization, but in reality it was an exclusive alliance aimed at a particular potential enemy.

If I recall correctly the Warsaw Pact was formed after the USSR was refused NATO membership - precisely after the ideological point had been made.
 
the European Recovery Program was originally an offer extended to USSR too, with a POD dating 1947 joining it, I feel it will be possible for a mutual defence alliance to emerge from the ashes of WWII, butterfling the cold war altogether...
 
That would save the us alot of money on defense spending and espionage programs. They should have gone with it for the economic benefit.
 
It would take a democrartic USSR that actually survives. OTL once the SSR´s get a choice they leave.
Uh what? I dont see why the USSR would fall apart just cause they joined NATO, hell they may even last longer than rl.

Or maybe im not understanding your post, it doesnt make much sense to me.
 
Uh what? I dont see why the USSR would fall apart just cause they joined NATO, hell they may even last longer than rl.

Or maybe im not understanding your post, it doesnt make much sense to me.

I said in order to get into NATO,the USSR would have to become a democracy My other point is that if the USSR became a democracy it would fall apart. a Which is what happened OTL in 1991. The non Russian SSRs when they got a choice did not want to be part if the Soviet Union. Of course,it just accured to me that democracy has not always been a requirement for membership
in NATO. Portugal,Greece and Turkey were members as dictatorships. t That made me think that the key to this TL is the Soviet Union becomng a non Communist dictatorship.
 
NATO consolidated as an organization after 1950 to keep those damn Commies off the front lawn. Kruschev was just doing the usual propaganda grandstanding, knowing perfectly well the USSR was not going be joining NATO.

Could we see a NATO-like organization created for the purpose of maintaining the peace rather than as defense against a common enemy? After all, Roosevelt wanted a post-war continuation of US alliance with Russia, Britain and China ("the four policemen") to guarantee world peace.

But then this probably requires Bizarro-World Stalin to work...the whole occupation of Eastern Europe and all strikes me as a rather fundamental obstacle to peaceful cooperation in a "mutual defense" ageement.

Bruce
 
As I understand it the USSR's application was to show the nature of NATO. In theory collective security is an alliance of everyone against ANY aggressor and is different from an alliance system to protect a defined group of states.

NATO called itself a collective security organization, but in reality it was an exclusive alliance aimed at a particular potential enemy.

If I recall correctly the Warsaw Pact was formed after the USSR was refused NATO membership - precisely after the ideological point had been made.

True enough.
More them trying to be clever and proving a point in a way rarely seen on the international stage than a genuine application.
 
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