WI: USSR joined NATO in 1954?
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That doesnt make sense at all, did they really tried that
Yes, the Soviet Union really tried that.
This is probably totally ASB, to be honest, but if it were to happen, the Cold War would have been nipped in the bud.....period.
That doesnt make sense at all, did they really tried that
It makes perfect sense, show NATO up for being an anti-Soviet organisation rather than one focused on peace by forcing them to reject the Soviet Union. The Soviets were big fans of floating unrealistic schemes that they knew would never be treated seriously, either to gain capital for later, test reactions, or both.
Delta Force
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The only way I could see something like this happening is if NATO and the Soviet Union found a common enemy in the PRC, which would thus put things off until the at least the 1960s.
Didn't Tom Clancy have Russia join NATO after the Cold War ended in one of the Jack Ryan books? Kind of implausible, but a very fun idea.
Incognito
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Source?
Or N.A.T.O. just becomes a more or less meaningless organization like the non-aligned movement.
And that's the most realistic outcome. If NATO calls their bluff you're going to get some kind of negotiation wherein one side or the other will walk away for some reason that will be described as an unacceptable condition placed on membership by the other.
Realistically the Soviets can't allow it if for no other reason that a NATO USSR is basically going to have to allow the reunification of Germany. 1954 is before thingsgot really finalized in terms of the structure of the two Germany's, but at no point are the Soviets going to be willing to give up their buffer state and create a country still quite capable of challenging them.
Ultimately if it somehow DID happen without other fundamental shifts (ASB, but lets go with it for now) there are two major shifts: Germany is reunited and probably ends up more or less western (though quite possibly with the whole country getting something of the atmosphere of divided Berlin). One interesting note is that this might be a way to get a Germany with post war talk of pacifism similar to Japan. In terms of NATO itself, it's obviously going to fade from importance; quite simply what is it going to do in this form? IMO it eventually ends up being a largely hollow shell that acts as more or less a UN military command structure. At the same time a much more secretive set of anti soviet military planning is going to be a necessity between at the very least the US and Britain. The actual power structure is probably going to have a disturbing similarity to pre-WWI Europe with weirdly interlocking and very secretive alliance structures with conflicting and problematic war plans established.
Incognito
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Germany did not join N.A.T.O. until 1955. And why would N.A.T.O. U.S.S.R. = United Germany
.I kind of wish I hadn't read that one.
If you like Clancy, its one of his "good" books. But he focuses more on politcal aspects than in his older works. Which can be a kind of anoying.
Germany did not join N.A.T.O. until 1955. And why would N.A.T.O. U.S.S.R. = United Germany
You would not get the Soviets in NATO without some form of resolution to the German question. I think a semi-reunification would actually have been possible, but still a communist state of Brandenburg (Prussia would not be completely off the table in 1955 though) within a united Germany would spark tensions. The federal constitution would doubtless be a mess.
Incognito
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Could try to go for a united but neutral and disarmed Germany like Beria apparently suggested.
The US and Western Europe immediately leave the NATO command structure and from the "Greater Atlantic Treaty Organization", a defensive alliance against Communism.
"We'll start a new NATO, a better one, with cocaine, blackjack and hookers"
I agree, in the weird situation that the USSR was admitted, the US and the other major NATO partners would limit their own involvement and create something else.
Cook
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fast-facts-about-nato-1.778864
It wasn't a realistic offer made with any great expectation of being accepted, more of a propaganda stunt. Had it been accepted it would have given them a means of disrupting the collective defence underpinning the alliance.
Um, you mean is wasn't specifically designed an anti-Soviet alliance? Could have fooled me.