WI: US gets Florida in 1783

The Creek War, and the First Seminole War probably take place a few years earlier. Andrew Jackson doesn't get to invade Spanish Florida, and he might not in command for any of these conflicts. It is entirely possible that Jackson's entire miiitary career is butterflied away in this scenario. His career as President might not happen. If the nation is thereby spared the Trail of Tears, so much the better. Now that would go down well with some. You know, I'm starting to like this thread. :)
 
East Florida, West Florida, both? I'll say assume East Florida.

Extra southern state in the Union but one so underpopulated it won't swing history that much, even with two extra senators for the south. East Florida simply drops 'East' from its name upon independence a la Massachusetts dropping 'Bay' when it became a state as the only Florida that matters (after all, 'both' Floridas were ceded in 1819 to the USA but referred to post-treaty as simply 'Florida' without an adjective). As Americans were already moving into the area after 1783's forced Loyalist exodus, it becomes Anglo at roughly the same period as OTL. The Transcontinental Treaty merely concerns itself with the West Florida remains and Texas-Louisiana border, so Pensacola may become Alabamian - like it wants to anyway.
 

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Probably still have the Seminole & escapee issue;

Somebody will end up dealing with that, and Jackson was a Tennessee militia officer as early as 1801...he was born in 1767 and was imprisoned by the British during the Revolution, so by 1783 he would have been 16, certainly old enough to serve in any campaign against the native peoples along the Florida frontier.

The Creek War would presumably still happen - might even come earlier as part of a larger war in the Old Southwest. The 1812-15 war might or might not happen, but given the multiple points the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars could have spread into the Western Hemisphere, something else might have sparked up...

Jackson strikes me as the sort of individual who would find his way to a fight, one way or another.

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For this to be plausible the Spanish have to get concessions else where. Maybe Galvez invades the Bahamas before the treaty?
 
For this to be plausible the Spanish have to get concessions else where. Maybe Galvez invades the Bahamas before the treaty?

Spain held the Bahamas briefly before a Carolinian Loyalist liberated them; but this happened before it got to the powers at the Treaty of Paris. Perhaps Britain confirms the Bahamas to Spain so the liberation is null.
 
Spain held the Bahamas briefly before a Carolinian Loyalist liberated them; but this happened before it got to the powers at the Treaty of Paris. Perhaps Britain confirms the Bahamas to Spain so the liberation is null.

Yeah but that was under Cajigal. I think that if Bernardo led the invasion as planned we could see the Bahamas stay in Spanish control.
 
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