WI: US and Britan became one nation.

wormyguy

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I don't know. What if France and Germany became one nation to fight a common threat? What if Greece and Bulgaria became one nation to fight a common threat? What if Japan and South Korea became one nation to fight a common threat?
 
Erm, i haven't thought about that let's just say 1880-1900.

Yeah but what not when. What plausible threat could be so large that the US and UK would unite into one state? Why wouldn't they just unite as allies, like against Germany in WWI and WWII? Short of nuclear war destroying governable parts of either country, I don't think the US or UK could ever unite against a threat.

Perhaps with a POD before the ARW that results in the American colonies becoming provinces of the United Kingdom, therefore uniting them before the USA is actually born, then yes.

The governmental forms are too different to work together. Unless the remnants of a government in either nation was destroyed allowing anyone to take over who could give orders, then a two-party republic and a parliamentary constitutional monarchy just aren't going to work well together.
 
Closest thing I can think of is a failed Revolution. The American Colonies remain a part of The Empire, and after a long enough time can become a part of the kingdom. The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and America.
 
Closest thing I can think of is a failed Revolution. The American Colonies remain a part of The Empire, and after a long enough time can become a part of the kingdom. The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and America.

With the power eventually shifting to the much more populous Americas at some point.

But the country doesn't unite, it would be more of a case of they stopped a revolution.
 
Hello this is Alternate history. The POD could be when the common threat appeared,...ugh hold on i'll make a map.

Yes but why did this common threat appear? What caused the common threat to appear? Why was the common threat so bad that the nations had to unite? It's not as simple as you think it is.

With the power eventually shifting to the much more populous Americas at some point.

How come this is so inevitable? In a failed revolution, I can see the Americas revolting again and again, never having the power shift to them. As long as Britain kept hardening its policies on the colonies they'd keep revolting, and Britain would keep hardening its policies to try and keep the colonials from revolting. In an avoided revolution why would the power change? Population shouldn't factor in; as long as everyone's considered an Englishman then the capital can remain in England.
 
How come this is so inevitable? In a failed revolution, I can see the Americas revolting again and again, never having the power shift to them. As long as Britain kept hardening its policies on the colonies they'd keep revolting, and Britain would keep hardening its policies to try and keep the colonials from revolting. In an avoided revolution why would the power change? Population shouldn't factor in; as long as everyone's considered an Englishman then the capital can remain in England.

Because even if the Americans still considered themselves Englishmen, there are still going to be far more of them than people in England. The power shifts there because that's where everybody is going and where the voters are.

Unless the Empire keeps up the shit that clearly wasn't working, in which case America is going to break off eventually anyway.
 
Hello this is Alternate history. The POD could be when the common threat appeared,...ugh hold on i'll make a map.

Hello this is Alternate History. Ie, everything we talk about has its basis in reality.

Ok, how's this. No Haitian Revolution, so Napoleon never gives up his idea of revitalizing a French American Empire. Let's assume that the Napoleonic Wars end after exhaustion by both sides and France remains a powerful player. After the war, displaced civilians and retired soldiers are offered plots of land in Louisiana by the French government. The plan works, and by the 1850s the area is a veritable breadbasket with a fair population density (and just for kicks a stronger American Indian presence in cooperation with the French colonial administration). France got lucky during the wars of independence in the rest of the Americas, too, so it seems reasonable that they seized Florida and Texas which are after all, right on the Louisianan border and both very fertile and profitable. This all finances French naval and mercantile expansion worldwide, to the point that France and Britain are fierce rivals (whereas nobody was even close to Britain OTL). So let's say Britain gets in a war with somebody not France (Russia? Spain?) which either directly or indirectly leads to an economic collapse and a loss of colonies and influence worldwide. Maybe a generation after this Britain-wrecking war, tensions between the USA (a much more compact and densely populated nation ITTL) and France are rising, and the UK and the States are close trade partners that espouse Pan-Anglo dreams. So when war with France and Louisiana (which would seem to gain independence eventually) looms, the UK and the US officially create a democratic union, perhaps with the king/queen as head of state. I expect this would all happen by about halfway through the 20th century.
 
You are aiming at a time period when the Britain was in it's Golden Years and when the US was a surging power. Neither would unite and there is no plausible threat to cause the 2 to unite.

The only way this is possible if there is an "Atlantic Union" that Federates and would formed in the later half of this Century or after WW2, assuming that relations between Britain and US strengthen in the future. That or the 13 Colonies lose the ARW become part of a federated British Empire.
 
A semi-plausible one (but not in the 1880s-1900s) would be that a much more successful Pacific War for Japan means that the USA comes out of the war worse for wear than their original got-off-scot-free state. The UK would also have to come out of it worse than in OTL. They basically form a personal union, with two systems coinciding with one-another, in order to survive the immediate results of a shared blow to their economies and infrastructure.

The USA and British Empire are merged and the new entity is renamed the United Commonwealths, or the United Anglo-American Federation.

The UK is a Commonwealth that manages its state and has a Prime Minister and Monarch, independent and the leader having equal representation alongside the co-leader, the American President. These two will be the heads of a cabinet that works semi-separately from the British and American Cabinets, but makes decisions affecting the whole UC/UAAF.

The British Monarch still has their symbolic rule in Britain and the Crown Realms, with her zone of authority residing in the Imperial Commonwealth. Americans that come over to reside and gain internal citizenship of the Imperial Commonwealth are now able to be given noble titles if they so wish. To keep the Americans happy, this does not extend outside the Imperial Commonwealth. The American Commonwealth is the twin entity of the Imperial Commonwealth. They vote for their President, and keep their republicanism.

The British Parliamentary system stays in the Imperial Commonwealth with the American Congress not affecting their decision, but the Parliament can vote for the British members of the Higher Council (the one headed by the PM and POTUS). This is the same for the Congress, who elect the American representatives of Higher Council.

The places that are left of the Imperial Commonwealth (ones who did not become independent, like India and other places) get equal and fair representation in the Higher Council and the rest of the UC/UAAF.
 
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