WI: United States Forces, Taiwan (USFT)?

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Probably a Taiwanese declaration of independence around the date of the Korean War.
 
No Sino-Soviet split. That way, the US won't have incentive to cozy up to China and withdraw diplomatic recognition of the ROC. IIRC, that's about the time that the US finally withdrew its ground forces and U2 bases that were previously stationed on Taiwan.
 
A coup which removes Chiang and declares Taiwan independent sometime soon after the Korean war should do it. I believe there actually was an attempt to do just that in 1955.
 
As the title says, what would it take for the US to establish a permanent presence on Taiwan comparable to OTL's USFJ/USFK?

Since it's still our territory by international law and 55% of Taiwanese wanted US statehood in a 2003 poll, we could just actively state that they're an incorporated territory awaiting a statehood vote.
 
Since it's still our territory by international law and 55% of Taiwanese wanted US statehood in a 2003 poll, we could just actively state that they're an incorporated territory awaiting a statehood vote.


I personally have a hard time believeing that. Do you have a source?
 
I personally have a hard time believeing that. Do you have a source?

I remember this poll. It was really badly worded and horribly misleading. Something to the effect of "Would you rather Taiwan be a province of the PRC or a US state" and there were was no independence option to choose from.
 
Yeah, a limited nuclear exchange in East Asia could definitely do it. :p

Rmemeberm this was kinda three sided - China and USA had closer time, as USSR was a common, shared ennemy...

If China was loosing, badly, they could allow such things to survive,... or not being able to do anything. Specially after the war.
 
Of course, but it always feels kind of half-assed when someone offers up a nuclear exchange as the best way to answer an AHC. It's way more fun and challenging to try and keep things non nuclear, as it were.
 
Of course, but it always feels kind of half-assed when someone offers up a nuclear exchange as the best way to answer an AHC. It's way more fun and challenging to try and keep things non nuclear, as it were.

Mind you, it's possible the USSR leaders may not use nukes, they were wiser than expected and if they where not needed, they would be kept out...
China, if looosing BAD, like russians near beijing, thought... and it is kinda understandable; if you could loose all, you may all go ,'ah, f*** this', and send the fire of Agni, becoming the Death.

China may drop Taiwan, ONLY if somethign REALLY bad come at them and they can't do shit, or such.
 
Anything beyond the small scale border skirmishes of OTL, and you get a pretty sizable nuclear exchange. Anything less and you basically get OTL. An armed conflict between China and the USSR is not the best way to go about doing this in my opinion.

I think that if you avert the Sino Soviet split and keep China firmly in the Soviet camp, then the US will have little motivation to recognize the PRC, thus allowing them to maintain the bases they already had in Taiwan. The US recognized the PRC and gave it the seat on the Security Council in order to counterbalance the USSR, which wouldn't be necessary if there hadn't been a split.
 
A coup which removes Chiang and declares Taiwan independent sometime soon after the Korean war should do it. I believe there actually was an attempt to do just that in 1955.

IOTL Sun Li-jen might have been set-up by Chiang Jr. But you're right - WI he really was planning a coup (with CIA help :p) and succeeded?

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