How about 2 separate Jewish states in Israel/Palestine, basically *Israel being split into a communist state and capitalist/western-oriented state by the Cold War?
How about 2 separate Jewish states in Israel/Palestine, basically *Israel being split into a communist state and capitalist/western-oriented state by the Cold War?
Looking into it, Budjak would probably be the easiest. There isn’t that many people there in the first place, easy enough to load them into trucks and send them somewhere else. And even better if there is low population in some places around it to make it slightly larger. Either that or a Crimea, the problem with Crimea is that I doubt the Soviets/Russians are going to give up Sevastopol. Same with East Prussia/Kaliningrad, those are some precious warm water ports.Along with OTL Israel, it would be interesting to see a second Jewish state form in East Prussia, Crimea or Budjak.
Birobidzhan or some ATL analogue would be interesting within the context of a bigger Japanese victory in the Russo-Japanese war, where Japan manages to gain part or all of Russian Outer Manchuria (plus all of Sakhalin) and implements a viable form of the Fugu Plan (with such a region gaining independence after WW2).
Looking into it, Budjak would probably be the easiest. There isn’t that many people there in the first place, easy enough to load them into trucks and send them somewhere else. And even better if there is low population in some places around it to make it slightly larger. Either that or a Crimea, the problem with Crimea is that I doubt the Soviets/Russians are going to give up Sevastopol. Same with East Prussia/Kaliningrad, those are some precious warm water ports.
Budjak is an interesting idea. The Komzet set up a number of Jewish kulkhozes in Crimea, Ukraine, and Stavropol before Stalin's administration pushed them all to the far east. Budjak is right there.Looking into it, Budjak would probably be the easiest. There isn’t that many people there in the first place, easy enough to load them into trucks and send them somewhere else. And even better if there is low population in some places around it to make it slightly larger. Either that or a Crimea, the problem with Crimea is that I doubt the Soviets/Russians are going to give up Sevastopol. Same with East Prussia/Kaliningrad, those are some precious warm water ports.
Soviet interest in Sevastopol is an important point, but I don't think it would change anything. OTL it was transferred out of the Ukrainian ASSR in the 1950s (I think - according to Wikipedia). It would likely be treated similarly ITTL regardless of which minority group's ASSR s in Crimea.In the case of Budjak thought it would have also been suitable for an ATL post-war Romani ASSR, with Crimea could the Soviets/Russian develop a suitable alternative for a black sea warm water port like Sevastopol or even look at building a planned black sea port as it were?
I can't really see Stalin doing anything differently than he actually did re: the JAO. If Stalin is around to ethnically cleanse the Volga in 1941 because of his paranoia, the JAO would be placed to the far east for the same reason.Why not the Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic? Stalin emptied it out during the war, it's on the Volga (good for trade/shipping), and it has a decent port on the River across from Saratov (Engels, aka Pokrovsk). Maybe Taurida minus Crimea could work.
Yea it happened. Moldova, Kirghizstan, Kazakhstan, etc. were once Soviet ASSRs.General question: any Soviet-created state (ex: Crimea, Budjak) would be viable after the USSR collapse??
I’d think so, as someone else pointed out, many of the former ASSRs were turned into independent countries after becoming regular SSRs. But what may happen is that after the USSR collapse, is that Jews will start to emigrate to Israel. I don’t think any amount of Soviet effort could sever the historical and religious connections to Israel.General question: any Soviet-created state (ex: Crimea, Budjak) would be viable after the USSR collapse??
The Soviet government and the Yiddishist ideology it'd promote ITTL wouldn't sever the historical and religious connections Jews have to Israel. But that doesn't mean there will necessarily be a mass migration from a Yiddishist Black Sea JAO to Israel.I’d think so, as someone else pointed out, many of the former ASSRs were turned into independent countries after becoming regular SSRs. But what may happen is that after the USSR collapse, is that Jews will start to emigrate to Israel. I don’t think any amount of Soviet effort could sever the historical and religious connections to Israel.
I’d think so, as someone else pointed out, many of the former ASSRs were turned into independent countries after becoming regular SSRs. But what may happen is that after the USSR collapse, is that Jews will start to emigrate to Israel. I don’t think any amount of Soviet effort could sever the historical and religious connections to Israel.
i do va thank you.He probably means The Madagaskar Plan by Guy Saville.
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