WI Turkey joins Axis in WW2?

Why would Turkey join the Axis. What can the Axis give them? Turkey had already solved it's territorial disputes (annexed Hatay, and given up it's dream of annexing Mosul). Also the Turkish- Soviet relationship during the inter- war era was not that bad. It wasn't good, but it wasn't toxic either.

I read somewhere it wanted Thessalonika, maybe it could become part of the axis to get Thessalonika?
 
Why would Turkey join the Axis. What can the Axis give them? Turkey had already solved it's territorial disputes (annexed Hatay, and given up it's dream of annexing Mosul). Also the Turkish- Soviet relationship during the inter- war era was not that bad. It wasn't good, but it wasn't toxic either.

I agree. There was no incentive for Turkey to join the Axis, or the Allied side of the conflict. Regaining their former glory (and territory) is simply just history to the Turks. Although by the end of the war, they have to join the Allies for fear of not being included in the United Nations.
 
Nope, Turkey and Greece had given up all their claims on each other by then.

No i read that the turks wanted to annex the city and the surrounding area from the Greeks because of it's stragetic position, not because the turks claimed the city from when they were the Ottoman Empire. I can't seem to remember where i read it from, though.
 
"How long can the Turks resist though and how many casaulties will be sustained if they invade the Soviet Union and when the Soviets invade Anatolia?"

I don't know, but the Turks would suffer a catastrophic number of casualties I would imagine. I'm very much in the 'the Turks aren't silly enough to do this in the first place" camp.
 
"How long can the Turks resist though and how many casaulties will be sustained if they invade the Soviet Union and when the Soviets invade Anatolia?"

I don't know, but the Turks would suffer a catastrophic number of casualties I would imagine. I'm very much in the 'the Turks aren't silly enough to do this in the first place" camp.

If the Turks did join the invasion of the Soviet Union, the casaulties will be catastrophic and Turkey will lose a lot of territory, probably Eastern Anatolia and Eastern Thrace with Constantinople.
 
"If the Turks did join the invasion of the Soviet Union, the casaulties will be catastrophic and Turkey will lose a lot of territory, probably Eastern Anatolia and Eastern Thrace with Constantinople."

Very, very probably.
 

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Look waht I found in Map Thread 3!!

Guys I found this in map thread 3:
hers the link: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=71542&page=3

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The Soviets have done well in that one and no mistake. Though they probably should have Mongolia too. I'm too lazy to read through the timeline, so I'm puzzled how they get both northern France and northern Italy but somehow miss out on southern France?
 

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Soviet Constantinople!!!:eek:
What would it be renamed to??

Stalinople. :p

But in all seriousness, Stalin was just as scary as Hitler, if not even more. And to think about how easily they could have both gotten their ways in their respective alternate timelines of this scenario where Turkey joins the Axis. Either Hitler gets his way through Istanbul, and millions of people are dead, or Stalin gets his way, and there are still millions of people dead.

Either way, while interesting if you're into dystopian fiction, this can be quite a scary scenario.
 
M79 I am sorry, but no way Turkey could achieve the things you have them do. number 1, Turkish army is a relic of WW1. They have zero capability to achieve even limited advance into Iraq or Syria, let alone planning giant pincers with Rommel. Number two, Turks in large part depended on Western Allies for most of their economy. Number three, they lack motive to absorb former Empire back. And finally, people from their former empire hate them more than they hate anybody else. Arabs would fight Turks, inspite of their wish to be rid of British and French.

1. Turkish army can be upgraded depending on timeframes and situations. British forces in the area are notable but a large army in the area could cause significant butterflies.

2. Yes, the economics would be tricky to deal with, though I'm not sure how much Germany could help.

3. Turkey does not have to be overt about its goals until much later. If Ankara extracts quiet promises from Germany and keep that to themselves until after victory they could still take over the aforementioned territory.
 
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