WI: Treaty of San Stefano actually implemented

What happens if the Treaty of San Stefano signed between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire on 3 March 1878 was implemented, instead of being superceded by the Treaty of Berlin three months later?
 
If this happens and the balkans get fully partitioned we might see a slightly different balkan war break out(almost a mirror image of the second) with serbia,greece,romania and the ottomans ganging up on the bulgarians first chance they get,probably around the time of the russo-japanese war.
Bulgaria might be powerfull but it cant hold off all its neighbours all at once.
So in the end bulgaria gets the crap beaten out of them when russia is distracted and we might still end up with OTL WW1 and bulgaria joining the central powers for revenge.

It might actually turn into a bomerang timeline with different methods leading to the same outcome.
 
If this happens and the balkans get fully partitioned we might see a slightly different balkan war break out(almost a mirror image of the second) with serbia,greece,romania and the ottomans ganging up on the bulgarians first chance they get,probably around the time of the russo-japanese war.
Bulgaria might be powerfull but it cant hold off all its neighbours all at once.
So in the end bulgaria gets the crap beaten out of them when russia is distracted and we might still end up with OTL WW1 and bulgaria joining the central powers for revenge.

It might actually turn into a bomerang timeline with different methods leading to the same outcome.
How exactly are the Greeks going to be able to attack Bulgaria since they don't have a common border with it? Romania attacked Bulgaria under very specific circumstances which are unlikely to be repeated in OTL and the Ottomans would be trying to conserve what remained of their territory on the Balkans and would be more likely to find common ground with a Bulgaria that is satisfied with its territorial acquisitions.
 
What happens if the Treaty of San Stefano signed between the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire on 3 March 1878 was implemented, instead of being superceded by the Treaty of Berlin three months later?

It was implemented, then superceded. The Great Powers would never allow for an independent Bulgaria in the 1800s, as it would send Russian influence in the Balkans skyrocketing.
 
How exactly are the Greeks going to be able to attack Bulgaria since they don't have a common border with it? Romania attacked Bulgaria under very specific circumstances which are unlikely to be repeated in OTL and the Ottomans would be trying to conserve what remained of their territory on the Balkans and would be more likely to find common ground with a Bulgaria that is satisfied with its territorial acquisitions.

Why wouldnt they have a common border,or are you proposing that the ottomans are somehow going to keep hold of north greece and albania under these circumstances?
 
Why wouldnt they have a common border,or are you proposing that the ottomans are somehow going to keep hold of north greece and albania under these circumstances?
And who is going to take Albania and Northern Greece from them? The mighty Greek army? You are not going to have a Second Balkan War without a First Balkan War situation and that isn't going to happen without Bulgarian support. Which likely won't be forthcoming if Greece and Serbia are obviously hostile to Bulgaria, when Bulgaria really wouldn't have a burning desire to expand anyway.
 
How is turkey going to hold on to them?

They dont have any land link at all and have just been massively weakened.

Serbia,greece and monenegro would literally have to walk in and secure the potential landing beaches,and thats even if the italians dont srew the ottomans over libya.

The point is the ottomans situation in the balkans is untenable without foreign assistance.

With super bulgaria between them the turkish numbers are only as good as their fleet.
 
And what makes you think this hypothetical "Super Bulgaria" would not ally with the Ottomans in that scenario?

I mean, that's a big assumption you're making there. Depending on the POD, anything could happen.
 
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Why would they do that,they have just ripped off huge ottoman territory and their main backer is russia.

You dont stab someone in the belly and then offer a hand.

Besides in OTL the ottomans didnt see any reason to help bulgaria instead of ganging up on it and now they are even more pissed,so why would they help them?

Im still asuming that this timeline has effectively ended ottoman rule on the balkans,so the only interest the ottomans can have is pushing the border away from constantinople and getting some vengence.
 
I was just editing my post, so:

My point was that upholding the treaty of San Stefano in itself seems not very likely, but I've always been interested about the effects of the decisions of the Constantinople Conference being accepted by the Ottomans.
 
They will only accept it if they get something in return,i dont see any great power giving them anything in terms of territory.

Point is this is an ottoman screw with no benefit for them.

Its like someone decided to jank the urals from russia,they would be pissed no matter the circumstances.
 
Why would they do that,they have just ripped off huge ottoman territory and their main backer is russia.

You dont stab someone in the belly and then offer a hand.

Besides in OTL the ottomans didnt see any reason to help bulgaria instead of ganging up on it and now they are even more pissed,so why would they help them?

Im still asuming that this timeline has effectively ended ottoman rule on the balkans,so the only interest the ottomans can have is pushing the border away from constantinople and getting some vengence.

A LOT of people in Bulgaria were more afraid of Russia that they were of the Ottomans. They didn't "rip Ottoman territory", a lot people saw it as territory occupied by Russian troops -- possibly more friendly.
 
The turks dont care,they will be pissed,either bulgaria gives them back what they see as their centuries old territory or bulgaria is a russian backed enemy.
 
How is turkey going to hold on to them?

They dont have any land link at all and have just been massively weakened.

Serbia,greece and monenegro would literally have to walk in and secure the potential landing beaches,and thats even if the italians dont srew the ottomans over libya.

The point is the ottomans situation in the balkans is untenable without foreign assistance.

With super bulgaria between them the turkish numbers are only as good as their fleet.
You're making some rather broad assumptions here, such as Russia being engaged with Japan at the same time as Italy with Libya and Serbia being able to join an Alliance with Greece at exactly the same moment. I don't see why something that happened in OTL would have also to happen in another timeline.
 
I never said same time.

I meant it could go exactly like OTL minus the balkan nonsense.

The balkan nations face the same situation they did OTL,a powerfull bulgaria threatening them so its to be expected they i will act the same way,there is no alternative.

Italy will still want to expand at the ottomans expense and this situation only enboldens them.

Russia will still come into conflict with japan in the far east because of their imperialist ambitions so thats inevitable.

There is nothing here that would change because of san stefano comming into force.
 
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