WI: Treatment of and reaction to a hypothetical White "Indian" culture in N.America?

This is in an ATL in which Norse and Irish settlement in North America is more successful, but ultimately failed due to the inhabitants "going native" so to speak. The result is something of a Vinlandic diaspora and a large, nomadic Euro/Native culture consisting of fairer skinned and slightly more European Native Americans from NE Canada to Virginia by the 1400s.

These Natives are culturally very similar to the Amerindian cultures in OTL, but with slightly better technology and slightly more resistance to disease. But mostly the largest difference is that they are for all intents and purposes predominately "White" or caucasian in appearance with lighter skin and hair than in OTL.

(Butterflies in Europe are nonexistent until after 1500.)

Now, my question:

Would French and English settlers treat these indigenous peoples differently/better than IOTL?

What would be the treatment of and the reaction to lighter skinned native peoples in North America?

And if the treatment is different, how do these differences effect colonial history and beyond?

(P.S. I just realized this might sound rather racially pre-occupied, and could be misinterpreted negatively. I think I explained it well enough, though, so hopefully no one will get the wrong idea.)
 
Perhaps a big boost to theories that climate determine culture rather than race. These were pretty popular in the early modern period.
 
So the Sami, basically?

...And speaking of the Irish, shouldn't the colonization of Ireland tell us that lighter skin wouldn't do indigenous North Americans any favors?
 
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If the Norse went native because they couldn't reproduce thier orignal technology package but were Christian, spoke a dialect of Norse retained some Viking traditions and especially maintained memories of Europe, Iceland and Greenland perhaps even a "loyalty" to the King of Norway that would be interesting. Perhaps not even geographically disperse but a survivng "tribe" near the original Vinland Colony. Norway would have a prior claim perhaps to petition the Pope with for special rights to future colonization?

Though IMHO it would be much cooler if they still worshipped the Norse pantheon.
 
Though IMHO it would be much cooler if they still worshipped the Norse pantheon.

That would doom them to severe mistreatment. Pagan whites, not just Pagan but worshiping a pantheon that pre-Christian people back in Europe used to worship? They will not let that stand.

Also, these Norse people will not keel over if a sick person sneezes on them, they have Old World immunities, and they will have spread certain diseases (and thus immunity, eventually) to the rest of America's population.
 
Also, these Norse people will not keel over if a sick person sneezes on them, they have Old World immunities, and they will have spread certain diseases (and thus immunity, eventually) to the rest of America's population.
Unfortunately, spreading immunity isn't possible, unless there is continuous contact for like two hundred years. Epidemics devastated the Native Americans well into the 1800s.

The only way to save most of the native cultures of the Americas (as opposed to just a few) is to go back into prehistory and preserve the American horse.

EDIT: the Norse probably would not spread too many diseases. Those infected would die on their way to Greenland and on the subsequent trip to Vinland. They would still have some immunities though.
 
I doubt it is going to make a big difference in the 1500s and early 1600s because the concept of "white" is still quite fluid. The shared bond of identity that settlers would refer to is as likely to be Christianity, or more precisely European Christendom, as skin colour. Having someone who is visibly similar in skin tone, but totally differennt in culture would not faze them (they know about the sami and Russians) and is unlikely to alter their response, though it might shift the direction that "white" identity takes later on. Race theory held that Native Americans or Africans could never be as good as white people, while Sami and Russians could. Including some of the coastal communities in that category might be the easiest way to adjust the theory (especially since by the time racism develops its scientific credentials, there won't be many of them left). But maybe it leads to a more cultural superiority complex where it is not your blood, but your way of thinking that makes you a member of the purported master race. The implications for European political - I hesitate to call it "thought" - down the line could be interesting.
 
Irish colonization of North America never occurred.

The Norse had with them Irish slaves. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say this is what the OP meant.

Also, would the Norse bring with them farm animals, like sheep, pigs, cattle, and horses?
 
Irish colonization of North America never occurred.

The Norse had with them Irish slaves. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say this is what the OP meant.

Also, would the Norse bring with them farm animals, like sheep, pigs, cattle, and horses?

You said it so I didn't have to, thanks. Not the nicest way to bring my people over, but nicer than some OTL.

So, the consensus is that it would do very little to improve Native relations with European and then, later, American colonists?
 

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According to QI the first american indian the Pilgrim fathers off the May Flower met asked them if they had any beer - in English. Not that it did him much good.....
 
Even if the Norse are Christian, they would be Catholic(ish), which wouldn't win any favours if we have Protestants, and any Catholics would find many of their beliefs false too I'm sure. Really they'd only due better by being less vulnerable to disease and alcohol issues.
 
That would doom them to severe mistreatment. Pagan whites, not just Pagan but worshiping a pantheon that pre-Christian people back in Europe used to worship? They will not let that stand.

Also, these Norse people will not keel over if a sick person sneezes on them, they have Old World immunities, and they will have spread certain diseases (and thus immunity, eventually) to the rest of America's population.

WI it butterflied the other way? The Pagan Native Norse (?) come in contact with the New Christian European Settlers and perceive them as a genocidal threat and make common cause with the Amerindians. Settlement in that area at least would become mighty unattractive if you’re met by a modified Norman Shield Wall and concerted Native American aggression.
Sort of like if aliens landed and announced they were Satanists. (No offence to practcing Satanists I'm speaking of the perception of those who heard it.)

The Native Norse and their descendents in other tribes survive disease a little better with a few of the European genetic predispositions, promoting the idea that Odin is on our side. Perhaps it could hold out and find a European ally opposing the local settlers like the French against the British. Then with trade regain their lost technology and gain and better assimilate the current technology.

Hmmm Vikings with guns…

On second thought I’m putting the cart before the horse. Explores are by and large a pragmatic group. They as a rule precede Adventures, Missionaries and Colonists. If a Native Norse settlement was found by say John Cabot it may of strongly encourage English and other Explorers to go there to trade and refit before further voyages. It could become a major trading post with satellite colonies. This would have been especially likely if we go to a slightly more plausable fellow Catholics.
 
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