raharris1973
Gone Fishin'
OK- I am asking about the effects of no War of 1812. The PoD is right there in the title.
To elaborate, the news that the British Admiralty has changed its Orders in Council to address American grievances in the ATL arrives prior to any Declaration of War, preventing any declaration of war.
Moving right along, I am interesting in discussing the impact of the *lack* of this war on several "baskets" of mainly North American topics in the postwar years and decades. I hadn't thought about short term impacts on the Napoleonic Wars or Amerindian Wars and am not focused on them, but if you think of something specific you want to mention, go nuts.
I organized my "baskets" of North American issues into a poll. These are actually more like a series of binary polls in one, so voters have unlimited choices. Basically the first 12 selections are pairs of responses to distinct binary questions. The last three selections are alternative responses about the consequences for Canadian politics.
I'll lay them out here, and share my views, although my views aren't that strong on most of them:
Maine remains part of Massachusetts perpetually
To elaborate, the news that the British Admiralty has changed its Orders in Council to address American grievances in the ATL arrives prior to any Declaration of War, preventing any declaration of war.
Moving right along, I am interesting in discussing the impact of the *lack* of this war on several "baskets" of mainly North American topics in the postwar years and decades. I hadn't thought about short term impacts on the Napoleonic Wars or Amerindian Wars and am not focused on them, but if you think of something specific you want to mention, go nuts.
I organized my "baskets" of North American issues into a poll. These are actually more like a series of binary polls in one, so voters have unlimited choices. Basically the first 12 selections are pairs of responses to distinct binary questions. The last three selections are alternative responses about the consequences for Canadian politics.
I'll lay them out here, and share my views, although my views aren't that strong on most of them:
Maine remains part of Massachusetts perpetually
- Maine still separates from Massachusetts by 1820ish - I think Maine probably still separates, even though 1812 is cited as a catalyst
- US declares war on UK over something else after Napoleon Wars but before 1860
- US avoids war with UK through 1860 and possibly whole 19th century. ------------- despite how fun it might be to think about the US taking on an undistracted Britain and getting smashed against the wall, and despite US rhetoric from the time, I think US leaders would have better judgment than to go over the brink.
- Lack of a war enables a Federalist Party comeback - maybe
- Federalists still give way to Republican 1 party rule & then a replacement like Whigs - maybe not
- Territorial matters with Spain, Florida cession & Transcontental Treaty settled peacefully as in OTL - maybe
- Territorial matters with Spain settled differently from OTL - maybe not
- Early US industrial history diverges substantially from OTL
- Early US industrial history converges basically with OTL - probably converges over the long term
- Features of Jacksonian era politics- expanded suffrage, glorification of common man happen anyway - probably converges over the long term
- Expanded suffrage, glorification of common man by 1820s1830s do not happen
- Canadian internal politics are largely unaffected
- Canadian internal politics are effected, but not leading to any separation from UK - I am not deeply informed, think it couldn't fail to have an effect significant to Canadians, but doubt any of the alterations would lead in the direction of popular support or political circumstances wherein Canadian provinces have a broad, successful rebellion against Britain, or join the US. That's my hunch.
- Canadian politics are altered in ways that ultimately encourage union with US
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