WI: Tianammen Square Protests Succeed

kernals12

Banned
That part of the economy not used for absolute necessities.

Put another way, the US can spend much more on its military before citizens are starving. China can't spend as much per capita without negative impacts.

fasquardon
I see what you're talking about. If China is a democracy, the US probably wouldn't maintain a large military budget. That's based on what happened after the cold war ended
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I see what you're talking about. If China is a democracy, the US probably wouldn't maintain a large military budget. That's based on what happened after the cold war ended

Until recently, China has been so weak that it has had just about zero influence on US military spending. So I don't see how a democratic China can reduce spending.

fasquardon
 

kernals12

Banned
Until recently, China has been so weak that it has had just about zero influence on US military spending. So I don't see how a democratic China can reduce spending.

fasquardon
You were talking about the point when China's economy overtook America's, which would be the 2010s when the Obama Administration IOTL was all about the "Pivot to Asia"
 

RousseauX

Donor
I disagree. Historically we are talking about blip. And it showes that they predicted Deng`s reformes, so if that was true, there is no reason not to believe other half of their assestment.
There are plenty of other research you can look up.
Also, almost every empire in the world collapsed into chaos, and did not transition peacefully. If they do not have a strong backer (like USA for British empire), and if they do not have strong middle class ready to support government you have anarchy. Name me one multiethnic state that survived. This all collapsed: Soviet Union, Chehoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Austro-hungary, Ottoman empire, British empire, French empire (Algiers)... Sometimes even shared language and history are not enough.

China has been divided between North and South for Millenias. Mandarin and Cantonese are different languages. I would like to hear any evidence that chinese people would freely except todays imperial bureaucracy system if you have some.
Except China but 1989 was not a multi-ethnic state outside of Tibet, Xinjiang and Yunnan, people in Cantonese speaking regions tend to be bilingual and consider themselves Han Chinese, and there was never a serious Cantonese nationalist movement in China. The problem is that you are projecting European style linguistic based nationalism onto China, which is very different culturally and has a different type of nationalism than the entities you named.

Also, almost every empire in the world collapsed into chaos
Your post falls into the trap of Marxist style historical determinism
 
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