WI there is no potato famine?

I am looking at two main countries affected by the famine: Ireland and France, but mostly at the latter.
Without the incentive of the lack of food, would there have necesarily been a revolution? Would have Nap III got in power, or would he have not (no Prusso-french war, later german unification?)
And I can guess that Bosto would not become an irish town and relations between england and ireland would be slightly better...

Is there any expert in this time era which could explain how a non-famine could have had affected Europe?
 
I am looking at two main countries affected by the famine: Ireland and France, but mostly at the latter.
Without the incentive of the lack of food, would there have necesarily been a revolution? Would have Nap III got in power, or would he have not (no Prusso-french war, later german unification?)
And I can guess that Bosto would not become an irish town and relations between england and ireland would be slightly better...

Is there any expert in this time era which could explain how a non-famine could have had affected Europe?
There is almost no way to prevent this. Especially in Ireland, you have a population of closely related individuals all close together, sharing the same resources (potatoes). There will be some little disease that comes along and ravages the population.

A better question would be 'what if the Potatoe famine was delayed'

I'm not at all an expert upon this time period.
American industrialization would be set back a few years, as Andrew Carnegie's family had fled the Irish Potato Famine.
 
IIRC, President Kennedy's ancestors came to America because of the Potato Famine. So you'd have no Kennedy dynasty. Without all the Irish in Massachusetts, it would be a different place culturally...perhaps more conservative and maybe more French from Quebecois immigration.
 
I'm not at all an expert upon this time period.
American industrialization would be set back a few years, as Andrew Carnegie's family had fled the Irish Potato Famine.

With famine or not, Andrew Carnegie's family will still come to US and by the way, he is a Scottish not Irish. Kennedy family for sure will remain in Ireland or go to Britain.
 
IIRC, President Kennedy's ancestors came to America because of the Potato Famine. So you'd have no Kennedy dynasty. Without all the Irish in Massachusetts, it would be a different place culturally...perhaps more conservative and maybe more French from Quebecois immigration.

Massachusetts will remain predominantly English and Protestant. Quebecois immigration has no impact on New England's history and politics as Irish did. USA will be more Protestant.
 

Art

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You have several "little" famines before

the 1846-1848 Starving Time, and the Great Famine is because 85% or more of Ireland's best land was held by Anglo_Irish landlords who exported wheat and beef cattle as cash crops. Fredrick Douglas said that he never heard the music like the incredibly sorrowful but apparantly happy music the slaves would sing when they were being sold down river until he went to Ireland. I don't know... Maybe have the Celtic Church declare for Protestantism? It's a VERY complex issue.
 
the 1846-1848 Starving Time, and the Great Famine is because 85% or more of Ireland's best land was held by Anglo_Irish landlords who exported wheat and beef cattle as cash crops. Fredrick Douglas said that he never heard the music like the incredibly sorrowful but apparantly happy music the slaves would sing when they were being sold down river until he went to Ireland. I don't know... Maybe have the Celtic Church declare for Protestantism? It's a VERY complex issue.

A complex issue, yet a situation for which you gave a very clear and simple cause for. Perhaps the cause of the famine is a wee bit more complex.
 

Art

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I "meant" that the reason Ireland was such a

Problem for Britain was that Britain was majority Protestant, and Ireland, except for Ulster, was majority Catholic and there was terrible animosity between the two groups. I will forbear to cast blame, but Ireland always allied with France, just like Scotland, to obtain it's independence. So Britain viewed the Irish with suspicion and disposed their lords and took over the bulk of the best crop land on the island. What were the British supposed to do, 1610-1770? There was no United Irishmen at the time! They still supported the Papacy! What you really need is for the former Celtic Churches to break with Rome, just like the Greek Orthodox. And get back the land in order to butterfly the Great Famine. In a way, it was a good thing in the longest run, though I know that's a callous thing to say. But I'm part Irish myself.
 
Problem for Britain was that Britain was majority Protestant, and Ireland, except for Ulster, was majority Catholic and there was terrible animosity between the two groups. I will forbear to cast blame, but Ireland always allied with France, just like Scotland, to obtain it's independence. So Britain viewed the Irish with suspicion and disposed their lords and took over the bulk of the best crop land on the island. What were the British supposed to do, 1610-1770? There was no United Irishmen at the time! They still supported the Papacy! What you really need is for the former Celtic Churches to break with Rome, just like the Greek Orthodox. And get back the land in order to butterfly the Great Famine. In a way, it was a good thing in the longest run, though I know that's a callous thing to say. But I'm part Irish myself.

Regarding Scotland, we were only allied with France until the Reformation... after that only the Jacobites wanted French help. The Protestants would have nothing to do with the catholic French. Perhaps to get Ireland to be better integrated (culturally) with Britain is have a Presbyterian reformation there as well?
 
Smaller America

A lot of the Irish moved to America. With out the potato famine the main incentive to leave is gone. Wile some would have given America a try, lots wouldn't. So you have a smaller US population and a bigger Irish population.
 
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