WI: The White ship survives, Henry Adelin lives

In 1120 a ship sank of the coast of Normandy. Amongst those killed was William Adelin son of king Henry I of England. Its generally seen that Adelins death (Along with the death of his half-brother Richard) is seen as a key part of the Anarchy (the war between the supporters of Stephen and Matilda).

What if the ship hadn't sank and William eventually was crowned William III? With no Anarchy, Matilda's son Henry Curtmantle (latter Henry II) wouldn't have been crowned the first plantagent king of England.

Anyway, what do you think?
 
In 1120 a ship sank of the coast of Normandy. Amongst those killed was William Adelin son of king Henry I of England. Its generally seen that Adelins death (Along with the death of his half-brother Richard) is seen as a key part of the Anarchy (the war between the supporters of Stephen and Matilda).

What if the ship hadn't sank and William eventually was crowned William III? With no Anarchy, Matilda's son Henry Curtmantle (latter Henry II) wouldn't have been crowned the first plantagent king of England.

Anyway, what do you think?

What happens depends on what kind of king he is. Elsewhere, Henry probably still marries Eleanor of Aquitaine (barring butterflies, let's assume they don't effect much) England's kings only hold Normandy.

But even removing Normandy and Brittany from this map leaves the Angevin holdings in France immense: http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/6800/6867/6867.htm
 
What happens depends on what kind of king he is. Elsewhere, Henry probably still marries Eleanor of Aquitaine (barring butterflies, let's assume they don't effect much) England's kings only hold Normandy.

But even removing Normandy and Brittany from this map leaves the Angevin holdings in France immense: http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/6800/6867/6867.htm

I was thinking if OTL Henry II of England would be more liked in France if he did not have the English throne.
 
What happens depends on what kind of king he is. Elsewhere, Henry probably still marries Eleanor of Aquitaine (barring butterflies, let's assume they don't effect much) England's kings only hold Normandy.

But even removing Normandy and Brittany from this map leaves the Angevin holdings in France immense: http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/6800/6867/6867.htm

The problem is that ITTL the odds that Henry would be born are quite low. William Adelin was already married to a daughter of Fulk of Anjou (Matilda of Anjou). If he lives then Anjou and England (or better, Normandy) have already diplomatical ties through his marriage. There wouldn't be too many reasons to waste Matilda of England in a marriage with the same noble family they already have connections with. Personally I think she would be married to someone else (as they tried IOTL with the Holy Roman Emperor).
 
The problem is that ITTL the odds that Henry would be born are quite low. William Adelin was already married to a daughter of Fulk of Anjou (Matilda of Anjou). If he lives then Anjou and England (or better, Normandy) have already diplomatical ties through his marriage. There wouldn't be too many reasons to waste Matilda of England in a marriage with the same noble family they already have connections with. Personally I think she would be married to someone else (as they tried IOTL with the Holy Roman Emperor).

Point. But the son of the Duke of Anjou might still be valid.
 
William died before Matilda married the Holy Roman Emperor, didn't he? So perhaps, his death could lead to a successful birth of a son and future HRE.

It would butterfly the french holdings away, unless said son just happens to marry Eleanor of Aquitaine. Of course, there are butterflies there as well, as she might not be born, or could be born a male...
 
William died before Matilda married the Holy Roman Emperor, didn't he? So perhaps, his death could lead to a successful birth of a son and future HRE.

It would butterfly the french holdings away, unless said son just happens to marry Eleanor of Aquitaine. Of course, there are butterflies there as well, as she might not be born, or could be born a male...

Matilda married Henry V in 1114, before William Adelin's death in 1120. It's likely that if there had been a son, he would have been emperor and king of England.

As for William, he died so young that we don't know what sort of king he would have been. One more-or-less contemporary historian (sorry, forgot which) described him as pampered, but that's about all we have to go on. The main issues of the time would have been whether France could have separated Normandy from England using William Clito as its candidate for Duke, whether William would have joined the Second Crusade and whether he could have kept order and controlled the barons as effectively as his three predecessors in England (as opposed to the examples of Robert Curthose and Stephen, who were both hopeless).
 
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