WI the United States succeeded in taking Canada?

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WI the United States succeeded in taking Canada? There were several attempts to take Canada between 1775 and 1868. The most famous, or infamous, was in 1813, when the U.S. Army and the militia, invaded York,
(Toronto, Upper Canada, now Ontario,) and burned the Canadian Parliament.
This resulted in a reprisal the following year with the British Army defeating the U.S. Army, at the Battle of Bladensburg, Maryland, also known as the Bladensburg Races. What effect would this have had on history?
 
Canada joins the USA

Rather and unlikely scenario owing to the orgins of many Canadians who were Tory refugees from the USA and black loyalists who were former plantation slaves offered freedom if they fought for the crown, after the War of Independence there was even an limited population transfer of Halifax patriots with Boston tories. 1812 was seen as a continuation of this war ;and the Americans were not seen as Liberators. The Canadians are the only people who claim to have won the war of 1812.

There were several border disputes resolved peacefully. One potential flashpoint would have been British involvement in the American civil war in support of the CSA but Canada had been the terminus of the underground railroad and Canadian were more actively anti slavery including the free black community in Halifax. Canadians might have actually welcomed and an anti slavery union coming in under these circumstances.

Another possibility might have been had the cavalry pursued the Lakota nation across the border after the Battle of the Little Bighorn. The Lakota had been allies of the crown in 1812. For some reason the French Canadians didn't seem to take their chance in 1812

However Britain wasn't fighting wars on other fronts unlike in 1812. Once Napoleon had been defeated the Royal Navy was able to be used at full strength. Possibly some incident in the 1850's when Britain was bogged down in either Crimea or the Indian mutiny.

As it Canada has evolved as a different country more like a Scandinvian country than the us with high spending on welfare and health and strong unions. Interesting possibility if the Canadian NDP had allied itself with the Minnesota Farmer Labor party in an enlarged USA.
 

bard32

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Rather and unlikely scenario owing to the orgins of many Canadians who were Tory refugees from the USA and black loyalists who were former plantation slaves offered freedom if they fought for the crown, after the War of Independence there was even an limited population transfer of Halifax patriots with Boston tories. 1812 was seen as a continuation of this war ;and the Americans were not seen as Liberators. The Canadians are the only people who claim to have won the war of 1812.

There were several border disputes resolved peacefully. One potential flashpoint would have been British involvement in the American civil war in support of the CSA but Canada had been the terminus of the underground railroad and Canadian were more actively anti slavery including the free black community in Halifax. Canadians might have actually welcomed and an anti slavery union coming in under these circumstances.

Another possibility might have been had the cavalry pursued the Lakota nation across the border after the Battle of the Little Bighorn. The Lakota had been allies of the crown in 1812. For some reason the French Canadians didn't seem to take their chance in 1812

However Britain wasn't fighting wars on other fronts unlike in 1812. Once Napoleon had been defeated the Royal Navy was able to be used at full strength. Possibly some incident in the 1850's when Britain was bogged down in either Crimea or the Indian mutiny.

As it Canada has evolved as a different country more like a Scandinvian country than the us with high spending on welfare and health and strong unions. Interesting possibility if the Canadian NDP had allied itself with the Minnesota Farmer Labor party in an enlarged USA.

Most of which is true. I was reading the Wagons West series back in the 1980s. The first book, Independence! is set in 1837. There's a subplot in there about Britain and Russia working together to sabotage the
first Oregon-bound wagon train. We almost went to war over Oregon. The
campaign slogan in the 1852 election was 54-40 or fight!
 
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