WI the UN had proportionate representation?

WI, instead of being basically a club run in perpetuity by the five nations that happened to dominate immediately after WWII, the UN had been set up as a much more democratic institution?

Say that each member state were guaranteed at least one delegate in the General Assembly, and also one delegate for every 10 million people in its population. So for example, today Lichtenstein would have 1 delegate, the USA would have 30, China 100, and the entire assembly about 600.

There could also be an upper chamber, where each country has one vote.

And no country has permanent veto power.

Effects?
 
Or, conversely, Representation is based on GNP, or possibly based on contribution to the body (financial, material)?

Of course, any basis for proportional representation would cause it to be still born, as those who get less will not participate. :(
 
WI, instead of being basically a club run in perpetuity by the five nations that happened to dominate immediately after WWII, the UN had been set up as a much more democratic institution?

Say that each member state were guaranteed at least one delegate in the General Assembly, and also one delegate for every 10 million people in its population. So for example, today Lichtenstein would have 1 delegate, the USA would have 30, China 100, and the entire assembly about 600.

There could also be an upper chamber, where each country has one vote.

And no country has permanent veto power.

Effects?

The institution crumbles in chaos, confusion and infighting under its own weight by 1950.
 
Liechtenstein

Liechtenstein's representation would be via Switzerland, as CH handles all their foreign and monetary affairs ever since the end of WWII. Sorry, just FYI:)
 
Not workable.
In the US (and other republics), proportional representation is dictated by a census, a count of the population. For the UN, a census bureau wouyld have to be set up, and everyone would have to agree to it's findings. That a major potential infringement on sovereignty, and will not happen soon. The only way way would be to trust countries' stated population figures...which also will not happen.

Also, rather that delegates, there would be votes; i.e. the US would get 300 votes, but those votes would be cast by one human delegate.

Mike Turcotte.
 
I assume it would be followed by demands that the people acctually get to vote. Good luck getting that by Stalin.

Speaking of Stalin , good luck getting him to accept the huge number of "votes" the empires get. Remember, India was part of Brittain at the era. (I don't know exactly when this charta would be signed.)

Liechtenstein's representation would be via Switzerland, as CH handles all their foreign and monetary affairs ever since the end of WWII. Sorry, just FYI:)

But Switzerland wasn't in the UN.
 
Not workable.
In the US (and other republics), proportional representation is dictated by a census, a count of the population. For the UN, a census bureau wouyld have to be set up, and everyone would have to agree to it's findings. That a major potential infringement on sovereignty, and will not happen soon. The only way way would be to trust countries' stated population figures...which also will not happen.

True. I don't see any way to get around that.

Proportional representation might work tho, for a world body founded without the USSR and ROC, as a democracies-only organization: The United Democratic Nations, or League of Democratic Nations...

Democracies might be willing to trust each other's population figures, or to accept estimates (tho probably not a true census) from an arm of the organization. The USA would insist that colonies don't count towards a nation's delegates/votes.
 

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True. I don't see any way to get around that.

Proportional representation might work tho, for a world body founded without the USSR and ROC, as a democracies-only organization: The United Democratic Nations, or League of Democratic Nations...

Democracies might be willing to trust each other's population figures, or to accept estimates (tho probably not a true census) from an arm of the organization. The USA would insist that colonies don't count towards a nation's delegates/votes.

Yes but once those colonies become independant and democratic there will be a world of trouble. India will have 4 times as many votes as the United States.
 
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Population is not the only factor here, as some nations could use economic or other pressures to influence the votes of other more populous nations, like say the US over India. this could lead to large blocks of power in the general assembly kind of like the two party system in the US congress or British parlaiment, you may even see various dealings by nations in order to get various resolutions passed, if you throw more muscle behind said resolutions you may actually have a more effective UN.
 
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Theoretically if China, India, the US, Indonesia and Brazil join forces they run the entire UN instead of five powers having disproportionate influence on just the UNSC. In practice the UN quickly dies.
 
Yes but once those colonies become independant and democratic there will be a world of trouble. India will have 4 times as many votes as the United States.

You could still have an upper chamber where it would be one nation one vote.

Also, in 1950 India only had a little more than twice as many people as the US.

If every democratic nation in existence in the early 1950s was a member, India would start out with around 45% of the proportional votes/seats, the rest being almost entirely from the US, Western Europe, and Japan. Today, India would have around a third of the proportional votes/seats.
 
True. I don't see any way to get around that.

Proportional representation might work tho, for a world body founded without the USSR and ROC, as a democracies-only organization: The United Democratic Nations, or League of Democratic Nations...

Democracies might be willing to trust each other's population figures, or to accept estimates (tho probably not a true census) from an arm of the organization. The USA would insist that colonies don't count towards a nation's delegates/votes.

This is actually quite an interesting possiblity. I did an ATL sometime ago about a Liberal Democratic Union, which was basically similar to the European Union, except for all liberal democratic nations, so basically the OTL EU + NAFTA + Japan, Australia, New Zealand. I didn't include India, as if an organisation was as integrated as the EU, I assume India would be considered to be too low-income. I can however see a nation with a much smaller population like South Africa being admitted.

If there was such an organisation (not limited by geography by like the EU), I think it would be a very powerful force for human rights and democracy.
 
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