WI: The top Nazis all emigrated to America as teenagers?

If Hitler was still some kinda crook in this ATL, what would he be?


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I kind of noticed that too!

Nixon, who presided over affirmative action, Earth Day, a major effort to create federal health care (an effort Ted Kennedy later regretted fighting), and a bunch of other stuff I'm too lazy to look up right now


Rockwell, head of American Nazi party

Sorry, but I couldn't think of anything else, and I thought putting Ronald Reagan in there would piss a whole bunch of people off, so I thought........"Why not Nixon? Nobody likes him THAT much."


potayto, potahto?

Nope. If you wouldn't mind reading my attempt at clarifying things, I'd appreciate that very much. ;)
 
Sorry, but I couldn't think of anything else, and I thought putting Ronald Reagan in there would piss a whole bunch of people off, so I thought........"Why not Nixon? Nobody likes him THAT much."




Nope. If you wouldn't mind reading my attempt at clarifying things, I'd appreciate that very much. ;)



I read it, after I typed what I typed, of course :rolleyes:


on the one hand, I have personally thought of Nixon as a moderate.

on the other hand, Nixon did pursue the semi-infamous "Southern Strategy" where Republicans picked up votes from Southern Democratic party supporters who had been unhappy with the actions of Democratic party elected officials (read, civil rights, et cetera.)



(incidentally, I figured the poll related to Hitler specifically, and I voted "terrorist")
 
Sorry, but I couldn't think of anything else, and I thought putting Ronald Reagan in there would piss a whole bunch of people off, so I thought........"Why not Nixon? Nobody likes him THAT much."




Nope. If you wouldn't mind reading my attempt at clarifying things, I'd appreciate that very much. ;)

So, the EPA, OSHA, and EEOC are right-wing ideas now? Even the most elementary research could have told you that Nixon was the wrong person to use.
 
Well, I didn't intend to say that Nixon was a bigoted freak like Rockwell was, but they were both right-wingers and shady politicos, though{particularly the latter man}.

Anyway, I speculated that perhaps Hitler was both a powerful scam artist, and a formidable Chicago gangster.

Shadiness has little or nothing to do with ideology. I stand by my point.
 

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It would be great to have a TL where Rommel and Patton end up close friends and. using a butterfly net, get involved in military.
 
Honestly, a scary thought presents itself: Hitler running the Klan (even from behind the scenes). He didn't have the womanizing trouble that got D.C. Stephenson in trouble. Absent that, I could really see the trouble the Klan caused in '24 continuing for a while. Put another way: What happens if FDR has to cut a deal with the KKK to get the nomination in '32? More importantly, what happens if the various fascist fruitcakes in the US have a national organization they can seriously rally around?

Now, it's true: Hitler was a lapsed Catholic. However, I doubt it would be too hard for him to flip around and become shrilly born-again and anti-Catholic, and the anti-Catholic groups had a long history of adopting ex-Catholics as Charles Chiniquy as leading advocates. Hitler loudly denouncing corruption in the Church is hardly difficult to fathom.

What's more, I have no doubt in my mind that he could have made a go of things in certain parts of the South. Thinking of Cotton Ed Smith and Theodore Bilbo in particular, and of Virginia's eugenics laws from earlier in the century, it's not too hard to imagine him being called (and I step in-universe here for a moment) "a loud, obnoxious Senator from North Carolina who fought honorably in the Great War for his adopted homeland and who embodies those Germanic virtues which our society ought to seek to encourage".
 
Honestly, a scary thought presents itself: Hitler running the Klan (even from behind the scenes). He didn't have the womanizing trouble that got D.C. Stephenson in trouble. Absent that, I could really see the trouble the Klan caused in '24 continuing for a while. Put another way: What happens if FDR has to cut a deal with the KKK to get the nomination in '32? More importantly, what happens if the various fascist fruitcakes in the US have a national organization they can seriously rally around?

Now, it's true: Hitler was a lapsed Catholic. However, I doubt it would be too hard for him to flip around and become shrilly born-again and anti-Catholic, and the anti-Catholic groups had a long history of adopting ex-Catholics as Charles Chiniquy as leading advocates. Hitler loudly denouncing corruption in the Church is hardly difficult to fathom.

What's more, I have no doubt in my mind that he could have made a go of things in certain parts of the South. Thinking of Cotton Ed Smith and Theodore Bilbo in particular, and of Virginia's eugenics laws from earlier in the century, it's not too hard to imagine him being called (and I step in-universe here for a moment) "a loud, obnoxious Senator from North Carolina who fought honorably in the Great War for his adopted homeland and who embodies those Germanic virtues which our society ought to seek to encourage".

Yikes..............in fact, it kinda sounds like something that could've been taken from a Jackals' meeting from the original Decades of Darkness!
 

I really can't see any of this happening. The second Klan was a strong anti-immigrant movement, so Hitler the immigrant joining, let alone leading, the KKK would be incredibly difficult to achieve.

The PoD suggested here is that Hitler moves to America as a teenager - thus before the Great War. In OTL his entry into politics was greatly a result of his serving in the armed forces, which wouldn't happen here - or at least, he wouldn't join the US army until 1917, so wouldn't have 4 years of hellish trench warfare contributing to his interest in politics. Also, there weren't a lot of non-Americans in politics at the time, and I don't think Hitler would have been able to adapt enough to be a success in American politics. Goerring, maybe.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if one or other of these "top Nazis" was lynched simply for being German-American during WWI. Particularly if any of them came out in favour of Germany.
I really doubt something like that would happen, simply because of probability. In OTL there were hundreds of thousands of German immigrants, and only one was lynched. Although maybe some of them might be imprisoned for their sentiments, but that's also unlikely since only 1 percent of the German population was detained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American#World_War_I_anti-German_sentiment
 
I really can't see any of this happening. The second Klan was a strong anti-immigrant movement, so Hitler the immigrant joining, let alone leading, the KKK would be incredibly difficult to achieve.

The PoD suggested here is that Hitler moves to America as a teenager - thus before the Great War. In OTL his entry into politics was greatly a result of his serving in the armed forces, which wouldn't happen here - or at least, he wouldn't join the US army until 1917, so wouldn't have 4 years of hellish trench warfare contributing to his interest in politics. Also, there weren't a lot of non-Americans in politics at the time, and I don't think Hitler would have been able to adapt enough to be a success in American politics. Goerring, maybe.
Yes...and no. It was anti-immigrant, but the focus was almost entirely on southern European and/or Asian immigrants. Hispanics weren't a factor until the mid-late 20th Century, and very rarely did northern Europeans come into the mix of who was being badmouthed. The brief spate during WWI was an unusual aberration, and I don't recall it being sustained after the war...it was sustained against "Reds", but that was it. Anti-German sentiment itself was dead post-WWI. Also, I do think that in the 30s, the Bund had Klan ties in various forms.

If we, by virtue of enabling the timeline, stick him in one of the first units over there, he doesn't have four years, but he's got one year...and he's likely got the postwar recession/depression coming into the mix, which should act as a partial proxy for what happened to Hitler postwar. The main thing, though, is that he shouldn't be nearly so radicalized, and it's possible to see him and a few cohorts acting behind the scenes. Hitler was, regrettably, pretty good at that sort of behavior, so...assume he doesn't take the reins personally, but stays behind the scenes (perhaps with the name "Al Hiller" or something like that...nothing's saying his name gets through Ellis Island intact, after all).
 
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