WI the Soviet Union and the United States joined Axis Powers?

So that's me, you, and CanadianGoose... cm'on, Slamet, don't just leave us hanging here...

Matsuoka used that 'Moral Communist' thingy when he was negotiating with Stalin. He said that (citing his family; specifically his father) the idea of Communism had been handed down from fathers to sons from time immemorial. But now this moral value had been eroded by Western hedonist thinking. Having said that, Matsuoka also said that he did not believe in political and economic communism, just the 'moral' values.

Actually, Matsuoka proposed a non-aggression pact (24th March 1941) saying that the main barrier between Japanese and Soviet relations were the British (Anglos-Saxons). Then he wanted to buy Northern Sakhalin, saying that 2 million tonnes of oil could be extracted from there. Molotov responded saying "What, are you joking?"

Is 2 million tonnes of oil enough for the Japanese to pull through the US embargo?
 
Yes, as any other country in the world, USSR was willing to work together with Nazi, as long as it was beneficial for Soviets. Just like Poland worked with Nazi to dismember Czechoslovakia, Slovaks worked with Nazi to dismember Poland, Americans worked with Nazi to make money, English and French sold Czechoslovakia to Nazi to gain a hope of peace etc. etc. etc. However, this particular WP article treats Molotov-Ribbentrop (signed in wake of failed talks between Soviets and British/French and amid said powers preparing plans to attack USSR, which had been known to Stalin) as somewhat unique and unprecedented behaviour. It isn't that USSR was incapable of working with Nazi, it is that GB becoming Axis power is much more realistic than USSR in Axis.

just a small thing bothering me. srry the countrys called germany not nazi. and the plural is nazis. its just akward to read. not trying to be a grammer nazi.
 
Matsuoka used that 'Moral Communist' thingy when he was negotiating with Stalin.

So the point would be something a diplomat told a foreign barbarian, thinking that it was something the foreign barbarian would be happy to hear. Uhm.
 
So the point would be something a diplomat told a foreign barbarian, thinking that it was something the foreign barbarian would be happy to hear. Uhm.

That seems to be it... I can't find any other references on 'Japanese-as-Moral-Communists' other than Matsuoka's memoirs. Even the Russian Diplomatical Archives don't seem to have that meeting recorded.
 
just a small thing bothering me. srry the countrys called germany not nazi.
I intentionally used "Nazi" as name of ideology here, as:
  1. It isn't association between Germany the country and USSR which proponents of "USSR and Hitler were friends" are trying to hammer into brains of underinformed readers and listeners. It is association between USSR and "Universal NAZI Evil" (no questioning of latter part of the statement, they were universal evil of worst kind).
  2. Again, proving relationships between particular bunch of Nazis and USSR does not bother said propagandists too much. Their worldview is "USSR worked with Universal NAZI evil, that means moral equivalence between communism and nazism". Well, decade of inaction or active support of NSDAP from all kinds of "market economy" types links nazism to capitalism much closer, if one uses same methodology to analyze relationships between Nazi (idea) and capitalism.
 
In short, it'd simply be so one-sided that it wouldn't even be a "World War".

The Allies would no longer have the advantage in terms of navy, and the US could very well interfere with the Allied shipping and starve them of their resources from there. With that done too, British colonies in North Africa and the Middle East would be taken quickly, resulting in even more resources and land for the land Axis army to take for themselves. The British are now absolutely starved of resources. I also think that the Battle of Britain would have been an even easier win for the Germans, and the Allies would still struggle significantly with fighting a land Axis army, especially with new troops coming in to fight Allied Powers. The US and USSR could all exchange Allied information towards the already-existing Axis Powers, and they would be able to feed them resources indefinitely. Finally, the US would also be able to win quite quickly through the construction of the atomic bomb (landed on either the British Isles or British colonies). There could be nothing other Allied Powers could do to even prevent an Axis victory.
End result: Axis victory.
 
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