WI: The Roman empire had one long lasting dynasty?

Didn't the Palaiologi already rule for more than eight generations? They seem to have established a pretty solid dynasty right there, maybe a serious Ottoman screw could guarantee an even longer span of rule as the Palaiologi didn't really show much signs of unpopularity or shaky legitimacy in our timeline (well aside from a civil war or two, which they won). Granted said Ottoman screw would need to allow Constantinople to survive for as long as possible while avoiding any kind of Roman wank. As one of the major reasons the Palaiologi lasted so long was due to the drastically reduced population of the Empire.
 

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There are three problems here.

The first is that Rome/ Byzantium legally was a republic at least up to the fourth crusade. Often one family appeared to dominate it, people seem to be naturally dynastic for some reason, but you really need a powerful Emperor to overcome this and found a formal dynasty.

The second is that in actual monarchies, three centuries is a good run for a dynasty. None of the Chinese dynasties lasted much beyond that, and until 1912 there was no hint of republicanism in China.

The third, and this may be coincidence, is that Roman and Byzantine Emperors just tended to have not that many children, or even none at all, and this included the most dominant ones. Elite families in those empires just were not into siring large numbers of children. Octavian, who had one daughter, even tried to correct this with legislation. This makes it really hard to found enduring dynasties.

Large families bring there own issues in to things as well.
 
Didn't the Palaiologi already rule for more than eight generations? They seem to have established a pretty solid dynasty right there, maybe a serious Ottoman screw could guarantee an even longer span of rule as the Palaiologi didn't really show much signs of unpopularity or shaky legitimacy in our timeline (well aside from a civil war or two, which they won). Granted said Ottoman screw would need to allow Constantinople to survive for as long as possible while avoiding any kind of Roman wank. As one of the major reasons the Palaiologi lasted so long was due to the drastically reduced population of the Empire.

This thread is valid only for the roman empire and the western roman empire. The eastern roman empire was a de facto monarchy after the rule of the house of makedon, and so it does not count.
 
This thread is valid only for the roman empire and the western roman empire. The eastern roman empire was a de facto monarchy after the rule of the house of makedon, and so it does not count.
Alright, my bad.
Wait, why the Macedonian Dynasty though? There were coups and depositions after that. Not to mention that you had long lasting since Constantine's dynasty. If anything I'd argue it didn't become a de facto monarchy until the Palaiolgoan era (especially considering how that dynasty started).
 
Alright, my bad.
Wait, why the Macedonian Dynasty though? There were coups and depositions after that. Not to mention that you had long lasting since Constantine's dynasty. If anything I'd argue it didn't become a de facto monarchy until the Palaiolgoan era (especially considering how that dynasty started).

They had, but the Makedonian dynasty was the first one to have a cohesive dynastical sucession.
 
Kinda reminds me of China. If Rome managed to have a super long dynasty, we might see a similar situation develop with a long lasting Roman Empire creating almost a template for the next restorers of Rome. I mean, this isn’t probably accurate, but it has some basis and would be awesome.
 
I think a major problem is that the Imperial family’s always ridiculously small,and when it’s not,it’s members get purged.Most emperors don’t even have natural offsprings.
 
You're forgetting the Justinians and Heraclians.

Well, the Heraclians had seven monarchs, you are right. But my first point remains, they were a eastern roman dynasty, the objective of this thread is do something similar on the western roman empire.
 
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