WI the present day world of Easternized?

To have that happen the East Asian country or countries will need to have colonies.

If we disregard the POD to make that happen.

It will probably depend on which area that gets colonized and how the Chinese or whoever is the colonizer colonize it lightly or heavy and whether they try use the colonies as settler colonies.

It also depends on if it is just China or more countries who colonize.
 
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Mongolia can be TTL's Russia :p

In all seriousness, you could make quite a few analogues in such a way. Japan could be like Great Britain (the Ainu representing the Celtic peoples of the islands), China would have to represent the Holy Roman Empire, or the Spanish Empire. Korea could be like Scandinavia. Thailand/ Siam could be like France maybe. India would be like the Mediterranean world (Greece, Italy, etc.)

So, assuming this means Eastern powers successfully colonized the Americas, this would also insinuate that they have outposts throughout the Pacific. Hawaii and Polynesia could be quite important. Australia, New Zealand, and New Guinea could also be colonized, and actually probably would be before the Americas would be. It's not hard, actually, to imagine the indigenous peoples of these lands falling into the same terrible fate that of slavery that African peoples did with Europeans. Although, I don't know about disease resistance, so maybe not. Once landed on the Pacific Coast of the Americas, the benefits, I think, would actually seem more obvious than it would have on the Atlantic. There's gold in California and in the Andes. The Inca would be valuable trade partners, and the Pacific coast, specifically California, is very fertile and has a very agreeable climate. The Pacific NW is rich with raw materials worth trading.

The riches from exploiting these lands would pour in, and before long Eastern kingdoms will have secured their futures as premier powers in the foreseeable future. Perhaps, eventually, these Asian countries will begin colonizing and exploiting Africa and parts of Europe for their gains.
 
To have that happen the East Asian country or countries will need to have colonies.

If we disregard the POD to make that happen.

It will probably depend on which area that gets colonized and how the Chinese or whoever is the colonizer colonize it lightly or heavy and whether they try use the colonies as settler colonies.

It also depends on if it is just China or more countries who colonize.

That one Althist states that the POD is that the An Shi Rebellion is put down before anything can happen.

Mongolia can be TTL's Russia :p

In all seriousness, you could make quite a few analogues in such a way. Japan could be like Great Britain (the Ainu representing the Celtic peoples of the islands), China would have to represent the Holy Roman Empire, or the Spanish Empire. Korea could be like Scandinavia. Thailand/ Siam could be like France maybe. India would be like the Mediterranean world (Greece, Italy, etc.)

Actually, I envision Korea being more like France, whereas Manchuria is Scandinavia.
 
It gets away with a lot of plausibility issues by having a 200 year advancement and culture change gap after the POD to explain Chinese strength and expansionism.

Although I don't think China would conquer the same way the Mongolians did, since the Chinese (along with most Asians) were very inward-looking peoples. Rather than conquering Arab land, perhaps they would've had wars with them over central Asia for the sake of trade routes and China would turn Persia into their protectorate. Maybe they'd ally themselves with Byzantium since they have a common foe, making Byzantium their gateway to the west.
 
China without the AN Lushan Rebellion OR the Song's invasion and ending by the Mongols may have turned different, and maybe imperial-colonialist in the sense of Europeans to a certain point... Or at least more open, more traders-merchants amiable, open to ideas, etc. Maybe.
 
That one Althist states that the POD is that the An Shi Rebellion is put down before anything can happen.
Stopping An Lushan is not going to prevent other generals from revolting in the long run. The power of the jiedushi had been well-established by mid-Tang times, and their antipathy towards officials in the capital was not a new phenomenon. The willingness of the generals to leap to An Lushan's side suggests that they'll do the same thing if another general does the same thing.
 
Stopping An Lushan is not going to prevent other generals from revolting in the long run. The power of the jiedushi had been well-established by mid-Tang times, and their antipathy towards officials in the capital was not a new phenomenon. The willingness of the generals to leap to An Lushan's side suggests that they'll do the same thing if another general does the same thing.

My point is howver that this event, along Mongolian invasions, maybe have added something to the chinese psyche in a way - 'foreigners are dangerous, are problems'.I's stereotypical, but it may have been the source of the Ming,s kinda closedness, frilosity to deal with the foreign powers...
 
My point is howver that this event, along Mongolian invasions, maybe have added something to the chinese psyche in a way - 'foreigners are dangerous, are problems'.I's stereotypical, but it may have been the source of the Ming,s kinda closedness, frilosity to deal with the foreign powers...
That post wasn't addressed towards you.

Anyways, the Song Dynasty didn't make Chinese people think that foreigners were dangerous. Things were always more complex than that. I guess you could argue that it made Chinese people think Mongols were dangerous but the later Ming Dynasty was not opposed to employing Mongols to fight other Mongols. Preventing the Mongols from rising won't necessarily end the stalemate between the Jin and Song. The Song Dynasty historically was not very expansionist, though it had some moments that could be argued as such, as much as extremely revanchist. The fact that it didn't expand is more to do with external realities than internal ones.
 
That post wasn't addressed towards you.

Anyways, the Song Dynasty didn't make Chinese people think that foreigners were dangerous. Things were always more complex than that. I guess you could argue that it made Chinese people think Mongols were dangerous but the later Ming Dynasty was not opposed to employing Mongols to fight other Mongols. Preventing the Mongols from rising won't necessarily end the stalemate between the Jin and Song. The Song Dynasty historically was not very expansionist, though it had some moments that could be argued as such, as much as extremely revanchist. The fact that it didn't expand is more to do with external realities than internal ones.

The fall of the Song to mongols and all, indeed, I said is a possible bit.

I speak of shared psyche, cultural ideas, etc, a big part of things.

It's an aspect of history that is frequently forgotten, who drive things... Not just kings, armies, money, etc. But ideas, thoughts, etc And imperialism and colonialism had been based on some ideas like Mercantilism/Capitalism, by example.
 
The Chinese could've made deals with the Mongols akin to the ones Persia and Byzantium made with the Huns in OTL for the latter to attack West Rome Instead.
 
The Chinese could've made deals with the Mongols akin to the ones Persia and Byzantium made with the Huns in OTL for the latter to attack West Rome Instead.

That would require the Mongols to accept those deals.

And they don't look like they would have.


But whatever happens, the situation in the East is not comparable to the situation in Western-Central Europe. Its not something where you can just substitute one for the other given the massive divergences of the evolution of states (internally and otherwise) from such an early date that any changes would render both unrecognizable.
 
Actually, they did against Jurchens, but it end up like Nat-Com alliance against Japan.

Nat-Com = Nationalist-Communist?

And I'm not entirely sure the Mongols were truly committed to peace there. They did have a pretty broad sense of what they were "entitled" to conquer, I doubt they'd ignore China entirely.
 
Nat-Com = Nationalist-Communist?

And I'm not entirely sure the Mongols were truly committed to peace there. They did have a pretty broad sense of what they were "entitled" to conquer, I doubt they'd ignore China entirely.

Yeah, HOI syndrome:p

Hmm, guess my analogue is faulty then, as Jurchrn Jin was sandwiched between the two who didn't share borders before.
 
Which part of the Pacific coast of the New World would've the Asians colonized first? I imagine the Chinese sailing towards the Andes and forming trade with the Incas.
 
Which part of the Pacific coast of the New World would've the Asians colonized first? I imagine the Chinese sailing towards the Andes and forming trade with the Incas.

Why would they colonize any of it?

There's no reason for them to sail West like that - its not a shortcut/nonmonpolized route to any important market.
 
Maybe the Mongols could be the ones to discover the New World as they travel along the Pacific coast of Siberia to Alaska.

Even for Chinese Junk boats, the Pacific is way to vast even for junk boats to make a steady voyage so soon.speaking of aching, weren't that more interested in the Indian Ocean/South a East Asia with Zheng He's voyages? If that were the case, maybe they would've discovered Australia and had a greater presence in Africa, meaning that they could spread civilization to that part of the world before Europe can.
 
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