WI the Ottomans won the battle of Ankara?

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Didn't Bayezid act like a total arrogant dumbass during the entire campaign? (remember reading about this in my Ottoman Centuries book by Lord Kinross).
Also didn't Bayezid more or less start this conflict as well?

Timur's army is much larger as well and Timur has a lot more military experience.

The odds seem heavily stacked in Timur's favor.

However if the Ottomans did manage to win, I'd assume Constantinople would fall earlier. No Ottoman civil war after Ankara probably means a completely different set of Ottoman sultans as well. So many butterflies.
 
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Didn't Bayezid act like a total arrogant dumbass during the entire campaign? (remember reading about this in my Ottoman Centuries book by Lord Krinos).
Also didn't Bayezid more or less start this conflict as well?

Timur's army is much larger as well and Timur has a lot more military experience.

The odds seem heavily stacked in Timur's favor.

This isn't necessarily true. Timur was the underdog in this battle despite the numerical advantage. Bayezid had the advantage in terms of guns and armor. Timur won almost entirely on his own skill as a commander.
 
This isn't necessarily true. Timur was the underdog in this battle despite the numerical advantage. Bayezid had the advantage in terms of guns and armor. Timur won almost entirely on his own skill as a commander.
Not sure guns are of much practical use in a field battle during this period.
 
Okay, this could mean sooner Ottoman conquests of Constantinople, as there isn't a multisided interregnum to stop the Ottomans. The big question what are the future rulers going to be like as it was Bayezid's third son Mehmed I who won the interregnum.
 
Not sure guns are of much practical use in a field battle during this period.

The guns had come quite a ways since the Mongol period and the Ottomans were one of the few who could use it. But you aren't wrong. By guns I was simply saying that the Ottomans were at the forefront of millitary innovation, for the time.
 
I think the butterflies from the Timurid end would be relatively limited (Timor did after all die a scant 3 years later and the state more or less collapsed after that), but the Ottomans dodging the interregnum might send off massive butterflies ...
 
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