WI the Ottoman Empire won the 1683 Battle of Vienna

archaeogeek

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at this rate the last capital of the Ottomans would have been Iraklion: compared to Paris or Constantinople, Vienna was a hole. The Ottomans are also not the Seljuks.[/QUOTE

You are wrong! There is no any important difference between Ottoman and Seljuks management of new cities. before 15. century, Turkish nomad people came to anatolia from east and Seljuks put them to new cities and gave farming areas to commanders, and Ottomans did same. After 15. century it was difficult to find nomad Turkish people but if Vienna was fallen, Ottomans d build a completely new city; mosques, turkish baths, madrasahs, palaces etc. Of course Muslim population d be increased and it d be possible to be new capital. and Vienna was available huge city to use as a capital.

The Ottomans were not the Seljuks, they didn't even consider themselves turks. I also pointed out how much your point is bullshit, the Ottomans did not make any random city their capitals, they settled their capitals based on political expediency, and Vienna, in 1683, is not an advantage, it's a burden.

As for a policy of consolidation: it would be incredibly stupid and would probably overextend the empire even more as there wouldn't be the excuse of christian countries not trying to invade christian princes at will. It would also decrease administrative efficiency and cause enormous tensions in the christian millet because the romanians would not take kindly to be put in a greek dominated polity. "European-style administration" in the 17th century, would be a regression, not an improvement.
 
The Ottomans were not the Seljuks, they didn't even consider themselves turks. I also pointed out how much your point is bullshit, the Ottomans did not make any random city their capitals, they settled their capitals based on political expediency, and Vienna, in 1683, is not an advantage, it's a burden.

What if the Ottomans burned Vienna to the ground instead and sent out the people as servants.
 
It would piss them off even more, and more stories would abound about the savage Turk.

What would happen to the Ottoman Empire, now that they burned down Vienna, enslaved the men, raped the women, butchered the children, captured and tortured Emperor Lepold I. Even the Sultan takes Austrian women as his sex slaves. What would the Holy Roman Empire, Poland, France, and Spain, finding out about this.
 

archaeogeek

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What would happen to the Ottoman Empire, now that they burned down Vienna, enslaved the men, raped the women, butchered the children, captured and tortured Emperor Lepold I. Even the Sultan takes Austrian women as his sex slaves. What would the Holy Roman Empire, Poland, France, and Spain, finding out about this.

Everyone gangs up on the ottoman empire, the mamluks revolt, the persians take their chance and invade. End of the Ottoman empire. The sultan who does this would have to be lobotomized and completely brain dead. They never acted like this.
 
What would happen to the Ottoman Empire, now that they burned down Vienna, enslaved the men, raped the women, butchered the children, captured and tortured Emperor Lepold I. Even the Sultan takes Austrian women as his sex slaves. What would the Holy Roman Empire, Poland, France, and Spain, finding out about this.

Well, I actually doubt the Ottomans would be that brutal (Historically they were never like barbarians). However, them taking Vienna and doing anything to it similar to a pillage results in a reluctant league of Germany States, Poland, France, Spain, and so fourth all declaring war on the Ottomans with the intent of checking their power and punishing them.
 
Well, I actually doubt the Ottomans would be that brutal (Historically they were never like barbarians). However, them taking Vienna and doing anything to it similar to a pillage results in a reluctant league of Germany States, Poland, France, Spain, and so fourth all declaring war on the Ottomans with the intent of checking their power and punishing them.

But what if the Sultan was like that, and did all those actions. What would happen?
 
But what if the Sultan was like that, and did all those actions. What would happen?

In which case everyone unites against the Ottomans with the intent of punishing them for their crimes against Christianity, the Persians take a chance and invade, and multiple groups throughout the empire including the Sultan's own family revolts against him because he just did something utterly stupid.
 
Ok, so the coalition of European states unites against the Ottoman Empire, Persia invades, and the nobles revolt. The Ottomans lose all their territory in Europe to the European Powers, Persia seizes Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Egypt, while the Ottoman state itself is reduced to only Turkey. Russia takes the Crimea, southern Ukraine, and the northern Caucaus. So how will Europe remember the Ottomans, since they did those brutual actions I described.
 
The Ottomans might take Vienna but this is pretty much the end of their logistical abilities anyhow. There's no means if they take Vienna for them to overrun all of Europe, the logistics for that don't exist for them at any point.
 
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