WI:The oldest son of Louis XI, Louis survives

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Savoy

the sons of Charlotte of Savoy and Louis XI are as follows:


  • Louis (1458–1460)
  • Joachim (1459)
  • Louise (1460)
  • Anne (3 April 1461 – 14 November 1522), Duchess of Bourbon, Viscountess of Thouars (1468–1473), Regent of France (1483–1491); married Peter II, Duke of Bourbon, by whom she had one daughter, Suzanne, Duchess of Bourbon.
  • Joan (23 April 1464 – 4 February 1505), who was briefly Queen of France as the first wife of Louis XII
  • Francis (1466)
  • Charles VIII (30 June 1470 – 7 April 1498), who married Anne of Brittany; he died childless.
  • Francis (1472–1473)
If Louis survives is it possible that he marries Mary of Burgundy and one of his sons, presumably a second one marries Juana la loca causing the Valois to inherit Castile and Aragon but not under personal union.
 
Interesting he'd be the same ages as Mary of burgundy, so maybe a France controlling the left bank of the rhine 300 years earlier.
 
Given the relations between the main Valois branch and Valois-Burgundy, IMHO a match between Mary and Maximilian like IOTL remains more likely. Louis XI and Charles the Bold were sworn enemies.
 
Given the relations between the main Valois branch and Valois-Burgundy, IMHO a match between Mary and Maximilian like IOTL remains more likely. Louis XI and Charles the Bold were sworn enemies.
Louis was Mary's godfather, just like Phillipe, Charles' father was Louis Godfather....
 
Louis was Mary's godfather, just like Phillipe, Charles' father was Louis Godfather....

Louis was present at the Burgundian Court during the reign of Philip the Good, since he was in exile in the court of his Godfather.

The relationship between Louis and Charles took a turn for the worst, after they had succeeded their fathers.
 
Given the relations between the main Valois branch and Valois-Burgundy, IMHO a match between Mary and Maximilian like IOTL remains more likely. Louis XI and Charles the Bold were sworn enemies.

The point is indeed that, unavoidably, the political relationship between Charles the bold of Burgundy and the king of France will turn ugly because Charles the bold had the political goal of creating a strong independant kingdom at the expense of both France and the HRE.

He controlled huge parts of France in its frontiers of the treaty of Verdun (843) and aimaing at separating his huge french principalities from the kingdom automatically made him a deadly political enemy for the king of France that had to be brought down, whoever was this king.

And even if the duke of Burgundy had not aimed at breaking off ties with France (and the HRE), the mere fact of having a strong State at its eastern border that blocked any eastward projection of political power for the king of France created an irresistible incentive to fight this too powerful neighbor.

The story of the different branches of the Valois family is the story of a compact that turned badly.
King Charles V of France, who was a great Statesman and diplomat, backed his younger brother Philip the bold of Burgundy to take control of the Low Countries for the Valois dynasty. And Philip the bold of Burgundy did a great job.
Things began turning in a dangerous way when, because of Charles V’s premature death, Philip the bold of Burgundy took the main share of royal power during the regency and when king Charles VI turned out to be mentally sick. Philip then refused to let his other nephew Louis of Orleans, young brother of king Charles VI, to become the regent he should have been when the king was ill and unable to perform his royal duties.
And things turned into a nightmare when, considering he was losing the battle, his son John fearless of Burgundy decided that he was ready to settle the matter through demagoguery, murder and civil war.

There was however some kind of rekindle between France and Burgundy in the decade that preceded and followed Louis XI becoming king. Louis XI had very good relations with Philip the good of Burgundy.

If Charles the bold had died prematurely before his father’s death, you could have had a marriage between his only daughter and heir Mary of Burgundy and this elder son of Louis XI.

You still could have a marriage between these two in 1477 but this was quite unprobable because by then there had been many years of conflicts between Louis XI and Charles the bold.
 
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