WI: The New Policies reforms suceed

In 1067-76ish, Wang Anshi, the Chancellor of the Song Dynasty, attempted to reform the Song dynasty with a series of plans known as the "New Policies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Anshi

They were supposedly similar to a welfare state or controlled economy plans.

Now, what if the conservative factions in the imperial court had lost the struggle, and the New Policies were implemented and not repealed following Wang Anshi's death? What effect would it have on the Song Dynasty, and China in the long run?

EDIT: I guess Emperor Shenzong would have to live longer too... he only died in his thirties, so let's say Shenzong lives another decade or so, dying in ~1095-1100.
 
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This looks very interesting, and really, I don't think it'd have had much effect in the long run. Sure, the Song may have lasted a few more generations, but beyond that...the usual cycle woudlv'e continued, and the reforms eventually repealed, if not a few decades after Wang Anshi's death, at whatever point in the ATL it may be, but definately within a century or two I'd guess of the fall of the Song. Or even during hte Song with a particularly miserly and uncaring Emperor.
 
This looks very interesting, and really, I don't think it'd have had much effect in the long run. Sure, the Song may have lasted a few more generations, but beyond that...the usual cycle woudlv'e continued, and the reforms eventually repealed, if not a few decades after Wang Anshi's death, at whatever point in the ATL it may be, but definately within a century or two I'd guess of the fall of the Song. Or even during hte Song with a particularly miserly and uncaring Emperor.

Yeah, that 's what I was thinking... everything goes back to normal in the end.

Would there be any way to have them stick?
 
Its possible, I think. Especially if you can find a way to add on some sort of incentive to the long-standing beauracratic families that resisted the change to agree to it.
 
Its possible, I think. Especially if you can find a way to add on some sort of incentive to the long-standing beauracratic families that resisted the change to agree to it.

What kind of incentive would be needed to get the Conservative faction to agree?
 
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