And what claim does the Count of Champagne (assuming Henry is already dead) have to Poitou?
If Henry of Champagne is not dead, Theobald can gain the role of the ruler of Poitou instead of his cousin Otto, the Champenois are behind the sons of Eleanor in Aquitainian successon.
 
If Henry of Champagne is not dead, Theobald can gain the role of the ruler of Poitou instead of his cousin Otto, the Champenois are behind the sons of Eleanor in Aquitainian successon.
He would have to petition the Duke of Aquitaine for it. Why should the Duke award it to Theobald instead of Otto? What will Theobald provide that Otto doesn't?
 
He would have to petition the Duke of Aquitaine for it. Why should the Duke award it to Theobald instead of Otto? What will Theobald provide that Otto doesn't?
I do believe that as the descendants of Eleanor's eldest daughter,the counts of Champagne actually has a better claim to the Duchy of Aquitaine than the Welfs.
 
I do believe that as the descendants of Eleanor's eldest daughter,the counts of Champagne actually has a better claim to the Duchy of Aquitaine than the Welfs.
Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.
 
Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.
I think if Richard and Henry are both Alive that is possible a plus is that Theobald's marriage to Blanche reinforced the Navarro-Angevin alliance.
 
Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.
Was under the impression that Poitou was just under personal union with Aquitaine just like how Anjou was under personal union with Normandy during the reign of Henry II.
 
Was under the impression that Poitou was just under personal union with Aquitaine just like how Anjou was under personal union with Normandy during the reign of Henry II.
That applies more to Gascony. Poitou is considered part of Aquitaine proper much like Angouleme or La Marche.
Of course it depends how the County is later bestowed and most Counts who weren't the Duke of Aquitaine were vassals to him/her.
 
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