Theobald the OTL duke of Champagne, the brother of Henry of Champagne who died in the crusade.Which Theobald, which brother, and why?
Theobald the OTL duke of Champagne, the brother of Henry of Champagne who died in the crusade.Which Theobald, which brother, and why?
And what claim does the Count of Champagne (assuming Henry is already dead) have to Poitou?Theobald the OTL duke of Champagne, the brother of Henry of Champagne who died in the crusade.
If Henry of Champagne is not dead, Theobald can gain the role of the ruler of Poitou instead of his cousin Otto, the Champenois are behind the sons of Eleanor in Aquitainian successon.And what claim does the Count of Champagne (assuming Henry is already dead) have to Poitou?
He would have to petition the Duke of Aquitaine for it. Why should the Duke award it to Theobald instead of Otto? What will Theobald provide that Otto doesn't?If Henry of Champagne is not dead, Theobald can gain the role of the ruler of Poitou instead of his cousin Otto, the Champenois are behind the sons of Eleanor in Aquitainian successon.
I do believe that as the descendants of Eleanor's eldest daughter,the counts of Champagne actually has a better claim to the Duchy of Aquitaine than the Welfs.He would have to petition the Duke of Aquitaine for it. Why should the Duke award it to Theobald instead of Otto? What will Theobald provide that Otto doesn't?
And aside from that Theobald has no ambitions like Otto.I do believe that as the descendants of Eleanor's eldest daughter,the counts of Champagne actually has a better claim to the Duchy of Aquitaine than the Welfs.
Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.I do believe that as the descendants of Eleanor's eldest daughter,the counts of Champagne actually has a better claim to the Duchy of Aquitaine than the Welfs.
I think if Richard and Henry are both Alive that is possible a plus is that Theobald's marriage to Blanche reinforced the Navarro-Angevin alliance.Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.
Was under the impression that Poitou was just under personal union with Aquitaine just like how Anjou was under personal union with Normandy during the reign of Henry II.Depending on how and if female lines are ranked of course, but Poitou is a fief of Aquitaine and within the Duke's right to bestow.
Doubt it.John's claim is still better than that of the Counts of Champagne and Blois.I think the threat of Alice of Champagne's succession of Aquitaine can be used against John..instead of Arthur..
That applies more to Gascony. Poitou is considered part of Aquitaine proper much like Angouleme or La Marche.Was under the impression that Poitou was just under personal union with Aquitaine just like how Anjou was under personal union with Normandy during the reign of Henry II.
Actually Alice married back to a cadet branch of the House of Poitiers IOTL.Doubt it.John's claim is still better than that of the Counts of Champagne and Blois.