WI: The French tried to intermarry with, Frenchifry, and Catholicize the Algerians?

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Doesn't work. Islam doens't do integration, it integrates you. Notice how, for example, muslim men can marry muslim women, but someone who wants the hand of a muslim woman must convert to Islam. Apostasy in Islam is also considered a very grave crime, and punished with death. It also means you will pretty much break with your family and clan forever, a very serious thing for such a society.

You need to utterly break any power Islam has in its society. Even then, you will probably have crypto-muslims until the cryptos eventually forget they were being cryptos, like with Iberian "New Christians".
 

Baby Kata

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Doubt it, to much tensions between the different peoples. At best they would become a minority people and at worst it could become another Apartheid. (I’m not condoning ethnic cleansing, I’m just point out how the hatred wouldn’t just go away when the colonial overlords leave)
Then partition Algeria into a French part and a Muslim part.
 

Baby Kata

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Doesn't work. Islam doens't do integration, it integrates you. Notice how, for example, muslim men can marry muslim women, but someone who wants the hand of a muslim woman must convert to Islam. Apostasy in Islam is also considered a very grave crime, and punished with death. It also means you will pretty much break with your family and clan forever, a very serious thing for such a society.

You need to utterly break any power Islam has in its society. Even then, you will probably have crypto-muslims until the cryptos eventually forget they were being cryptos, like with Iberian "New Christians".

And this is why the growth of Islam in Europe will lead to serious problems in a few decades.
 
Another detail: By its very nature, Islam is "Post-Christian". Its a thing meant to suceed and surpass Christianism. This doubtlessely gives it an advantage
 

Baby Kata

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How about no?

There's a lot of distrust on both sides (European and Muslim), and it will only grow as both Europeans and Muslims increasingly turn to more extreme leaders. (For Europeans, mostly ethnonationalists, for Muslims mostly radical clerics)

Is it a pleasant thing to think about? No, but it's the likely outcome unless something changes.
 
Off-hand cannot think of any case where any of the 'modern' religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, ' Chinese' religion) converted any majority population of the others- since Islam swept through the Middle East and north Africa, anyway.
 
Then partition Algeria into a French part and a Muslim part.
Partition the Algerian coastline from the mainland?
Not only does it permanently poison Franco-Algerian relations, that's a just festering sore much like...well, Northern Ireland and Israel haven't had the most peaceful past century and partitioning Algeria would be of that nature, though bigger and concerning more people.​

Off-hand cannot think of any case where any of the 'modern' religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, ' Chinese' religion) converted any majority population of the others- since Islam swept through the Middle East and north Africa, anyway.
Christianity has been incredibly successful in South Korea, where Buddhism and ancestor worship had strong roots, in the past century. It's about 30% in the RoK, the largest organised religion in Korea, and 71% among the Korean-American diaspora. Though that came about due to some very specific conditions rooted in colonialism and nationalism, so not particularly applicable for Algeria under French rule.
 

aenigma

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Not if the French ruled with a heavier hand and said something like "Christians are at the top of the social pyramid"

they should have taxed muslims more unles they converted
didnt the muslims essentially do this to christians ?
 
This thread is rather distasteful. We are discussing cultural genocide and expulsion of an entire people by white western Europeans. Why has this not been closed?
 
Not if the French ruled with a heavier hand and said something like "Christians are at the top of the social pyramid"

Which would be highly expensive, require giving the Church a major role in goverent, require a stability in government policy that 19th century France does not have (especially since this is hyperreactionary) and be willing to completely ignore the more objectively verifiable and salient factor of Race. Oh, and expect trying to rule with an iron fist to produce violent resistance.

This system is highly anachronistic and ineffectual.
 
they should have taxed muslims more unles they converted
didnt the muslims essentially do this to christians ?

Christians also weren't subject to conscription, and the Jizya, while more lucrative than Zakat in many instances, was not structurally so. You'll also note that technique dosen't rapidly and totally convert a population with a sound religious identity already
 
Apostasy is verboten in Islam AFAIK.

Yes but it didn’t stop the French in being much more successful in converting Muslims in Sahel, and while they only make up a minority of Sahel population, they’re mostly not persecuted by their Muslim neighbors and enjoy a social high position in their countries in question.
 
Which would be highly expensive, require giving the Church a major role in goverent, require a stability in government policy that 19th century France does not have (especially since this is hyperreactionary) and be willing to completely ignore the more objectively verifiable and salient factor of Race. Oh, and expect trying to rule with an iron fist to produce violent resistance.

This system is highly anachronistic and ineffectual.

@FillyofDelphi

Thanks for posting. You may not be aware, but the user you replied to is a clear white supremacist and racist Islamophobic troll. Check their post history and especially their threads started. We are simply feeding the troll by responding.

I am surprised this was allowed to get this far. I mean the thread generally. We are failing ourselves and others if we respond as if the user was just asking a legitimate question. It legitimizes the unacceptable racism inherent in their posts. We should be calling them out on it and making it clear that racism has no place here on the forums, nor anywhere else in a civilised society.

Thanks
 

aenigma

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@FillyofDelphi

Thanks for posting. You may not be aware, but the user you replied to is a clear white supremacist and racist Islamophobic troll. Check their post history and especially their threads started. We are simply feeding the troll by responding.

I am surprised this was allowed to get this far. I mean the thread generally. We are failing ourselves and others if we respond as if the user was just asking a legitimate question. It legitimizes the unacceptable racism inherent in their posts. We should be calling them out on it and making it clear that racism has no place here on the forums, nor anywhere else in a civilised society.

Thanks

at a first look at his threads i dont see anything that shows him as any of those and his reply here doesnt show it either
neither did he post anything related to those here, yet some reason you feel the need to bring up a discussion about racism because you see it in his posts and don't agree with him

then i wonder who the real troll/racist is

that sayd he does have some odd threads like no cloths being invented but others seem legit to me like egypt staying coptic(would have been intrested)
 
that sayd he does have some odd threads like no cloths being invented but others seem legit to me like egypt staying coptic(would have been intrested)

no clothes being invented that would butterfly out the white race. sounds pretty racist to me.
 
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