WI the events in Inglourious Basterds had a RL analogue in WWII?

This map represents one of the most likely outcomes or this PoD. Actually the map was done to depict one of the most likely outcomes for the vanilla "20 July 1944 successful" PoD. However, if Hitler and all the top Nazi officers are killed by Allied commando in late May-early June 1944, this map could be too pessimistic, since a Heer government could be in place by the start of Bagration in late June 1944 already, and react rather better than Hitler did so that in the end the Russians are stalemated at the 1941 borders.

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How many times are going to reuse that map? :rolleyes:

Not that it's not well made.
 

Eurofed

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Eh, would they really let Poland and Hungary be split? Everything else I can accept.

The split is based on the assumption that the final front line of the Eastern Front, when the Whermacht and its remaining allies do their mostly successful stalemating last stand until the Anglo-Americans arrive, diasrm them, and keep their ground, would be essentially similar to the OTL one by end of 1944. At that time, the Eastern front divided Poland at the Vistula, Hungary at the Danube, and Yugoslavia at the Croatian border, more or less. Moreover, it is also assumed that Stalin, seeing his hopes of conquest in Central Europe evaporate, would act rather more swiftly, blatantly, and brutally to impose total Soviet control on the lands that the Red Army actually conquered (e.g. the Soviets broke the armistice with the Finns and occupy Finland, crush anti-Communist partisans in east Poland, support Communist insurgency in Greece against the British, etc.). Such jump-started Sovietization and the separate conditional surrender of the European Axis to the Western Allies would prompt both the WA and the Soviet occupation forces to maintain their positions, and it would quickly collapse any perspective of creating common governments for the divided countries, so that the military demarcation lines would quickly evolve into defacto borders of rival states. The same process would happen ITTL for Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary, that IOTL happened to Korea (which instead becomes all Communist ITTL, whileas China too gets divided).
 

Eurofed

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How many times are going to reuse that map? :rolleyes:

Not that it's not well made.

Us AHers with limited map skills have to do with (and reuse) whichever few good maps we have at hand. :eek: I apologize for the lack of originality, but I'm only able to edit existing maps, and "Valkyrie successful" is one of those eternally discussions, so I'm going to keep using my maps as well. ;)
 
The split is based on the assumption that the final front line of the Eastern Front, when the Whermacht and its remaining allies do their mostly successful stalemating last stand until the Anglo-Americans arrive, diasrm them, and keep their ground, would be essentially similar to the OTL one by end of 1944. At that time, the Eastern front divided Poland at the Vistula, Hungary at the Danube, and Yugoslavia at the Croatian border, more or less. Moreover, it is also assumed that Stalin, seeing his hopes of conquest in Central Europe evaporate, would act rather more swiftly, blatantly, and brutally to impose total Soviet control on the lands that the Red Army actually conquered (e.g. the Soviets broke the armistice with the Finns and occupy Finland, crush anti-Communist partisans in east Poland, support Communist insurgency in Greece against the British, etc.). Such jump-started Sovietization and the separate conditional surrender of the European Axis to the Western Allies would prompt both the WA and the Soviet occupation forces to maintain their positions, and it would quickly collapse any perspective of creating common governments for the divided countries, so that the military demarcation lines would quickly evolve into defacto borders of rival states. The same process would happen ITTL for Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary, that IOTL happened to Korea (which instead becomes all Communist ITTL, whileas China too gets divided).

Oh, I thought Yalta had happened already...
 

Eurofed

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Oh, I thought Yalta had happened already...

Nope, it did not. Yalta was in February 1945, the PoD is (I assume) in close proximity to D-Day, late May-early June 1944, whereas vanilla Valkyrie was on July 20, 1944. The PoD would butterfly away both Yalta and Potsdam. There were very preliminary agreements about the settlement of Germany, Austria, and Poland from the Teheran and Moscow Conferences in 1943, but the opportunity for the Western Allies of winning the war in Europe bloodlessly one year in advance is far too precious and they tear them up insofar as they are contradictory with the terms of conditional surrender asked by Germany (pre-Munich borders minus East Prussia, national unity, no Soviet occupation). Stalin is PO at seeing part of his expected booty vanishing, but all Western-Soviet WWII agreements were ultimately based on the degree of military success for either side, here Stalin gets to keep what he managed to conquer on his own before the Axis forces surrendered to the West, nothing more, nothing less, the WA do not make him any free gifts.
 
Nope, it did not. Yalta was in February 1945, the PoD is (I assume) in close proximity to D-Day, late May-early June 1944, whereas vanilla Valkyrie was on July 20, 1944. The PoD would butterfly away both Yalta and Potsdam. There were very preliminary agreements about the settlement of Germany, Austria, and Poland from the Teheran and Moscow Conferences in 1943, but the opportunity for the Western Allies of winning the war in Europe bloodlessly one year in advance is far too precious and they tear them up insofar as they are contradictory with the terms of conditional surrender asked by Germany (pre-Munich borders minus East Prussia, national unity, no Soviet occupation). Stalin is PO at seeing part of his expected booty vanishing, but all Western-Soviet WWII agreements were ultimately based on the degree of military success for either side, here Stalin gets to keep what he managed to conquer on his own before the Axis forces surrendered to the West, nothing more, nothing less, the WA do not make him any free gifts.

Yeah, had a dyslexia moment :eek:
 
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