WI: The Enterprise completes its five year mission (Star Trek survives for 5 seasons)

Who should be captain of the Enterprise-D in this timeline's TNG?

  • Patrick Stewart (same as OTL)

    Votes: 50 68.5%
  • Patrick Bauchau

    Votes: 6 8.2%
  • Yaphet Kotto

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • Rutger Hauer

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Someone else (specify who in the comments)

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Total voters
    73
  • Poll closed .
So I don't watch much Trek but I really like this timeline! I love how detailed you go with the stories and production as well as the description of the world at large. All my possible Trek questions so far were answered by others so I have a boxing one instead. Is there going to be a Leonard-Hagler rematch ITTL assuming the Four Kings' careers are still similar to OTL?
Hagler is going to win that fight in 1987 so there will be a second Sugar Ray Leonard-Marvin Hagler bout, assuming Hagler doesn't just retire on top. Thanks for the compliments, I like to write about other things as well.

As for The Day After, if Reagan wins reelection, it definitely gets made, and Nick Meyer will win an Emmy for it ITTL
 
I'm probably going to make the next update on Tuesday. Today is a holiday in the USA and tomorrow I'm traveling all day
 
"We will conduct this campaign with the utmost of sincerity and decency," the President said - well you may want to Mr. President, but I bet it gets real dirty before the end.

Best Supporting actor nom for Ricardo Montalban? Excellent news for Star Trek, and diversity in acting as well as the man himself. Hope he wins.

"Once Star Trek II was filmed and Spock was dead, we assumed that was the end of the series. We didn't believe the audience would show up for a third movie." Spock is important Nimoy, but the whole franchise is a little bigger than just Spock by now...

Takei becomes Mayor of Los Angeles in 1982? Wow that's really cool. Next the Senate?

Having Scott KO so he does not make the sacrifice does seem more... better than OTL to me. Plus adds some survivors guilt to Scotty that can be explored in the mini-series.

So the 90's Excelsior series stars Keoing and Takei as Captain and XO, then Keoing takes it over then Takei leaves to take up a political office... hum big things ahead.

"...crying singing Amazing Grace" - surprised they didn't use that cut for the emotional pathos.

Spock's World sounds interesting both in terms of the plot and the behind the scenes stuff. Have to wait until we get there.

Will PTN be broadcasting all day or just Primetime? Not sure how American TV works.

Some Reliant plot ideas:

1. Federation politician is being escorted to a colony to take over the reigns. He keeps having bad dreams and acting violent. Doctor Wilder discovers a chemical imbalance in his brain suggesting a telepathic attack. Xon mind melds (experiences some trippy sequences) that reveal said politician was attacked after leaving a Vulcan intern to die during a Klingon attack on a colony in the recent war. The culprit was the interns brother who messed with the politician's head in revenge. Xon also finds out the politician is also not as clean cut as he appears- question is, what to do with the information?

2. Reliant is hit by an energy wave and loses power. Over the next 12 hours they slowly fall towards an M class world, but with no way of stopping an impact. The computer says the world is pre-warp, though the data is very out of date for this sector. The impact of the Reliant will devastate the world- will Captain Terrell activate the self-destruct even though his Chief Engineer says he needs more time? As it turns out just as they pass the red line where they have to destruct or devastate the world the Reliant's systems are restored and she is able to stabilise and leave. In a epilogue moment seen from the surface the population have been tracking Reliant as a harbinger of Doom...

3. On Starbase 7 Reliant's crew play soccer against the local Starbase crew, only to face accusations of cheating by letting strong/fast aliens like Xon or XXXX play. A row breaks out about the issue. Its a take on space racism and in the end points out its absurdities.

4. Ahead of the Regula assignment Reliant is inspected. A background Lt we have seen all series is clearly nervous and hiding something. Turns out he has a Tribble, which are now classified as a WMD. Can the crew get rid of it before the inspectors find it...
 
"We will conduct this campaign with the utmost of sincerity and decency," the President said - well you may want to Mr. President, but I bet it gets real dirty before the end.

Best Supporting actor nom for Ricardo Montalban? Excellent news for Star Trek, and diversity in acting as well as the man himself. Hope he wins.

"Once Star Trek II was filmed and Spock was dead, we assumed that was the end of the series. We didn't believe the audience would show up for a third movie." Spock is important Nimoy, but the whole franchise is a little bigger than just Spock by now...

Takei becomes Mayor of Los Angeles in 1982? Wow that's really cool. Next the Senate?

Having Scott KO so he does not make the sacrifice does seem more... better than OTL to me. Plus adds some survivors guilt to Scotty that can be explored in the mini-series.

So the 90's Excelsior series stars Keoing and Takei as Captain and XO, then Keoing takes it over then Takei leaves to take up a political office... hum big things ahead.

"...crying singing Amazing Grace" - surprised they didn't use that cut for the emotional pathos.

Spock's World sounds interesting both in terms of the plot and the behind the scenes stuff. Have to wait until we get there.

Will PTN be broadcasting all day or just Primetime? Not sure how American TV works.

Some Reliant plot ideas:

1. Federation politician is being escorted to a colony to take over the reigns. He keeps having bad dreams and acting violent. Doctor Wilder discovers a chemical imbalance in his brain suggesting a telepathic attack. Xon mind melds (experiences some trippy sequences) that reveal said politician was attacked after leaving a Vulcan intern to die during a Klingon attack on a colony in the recent war. The culprit was the interns brother who messed with the politician's head in revenge. Xon also finds out the politician is also not as clean cut as he appears- question is, what to do with the information?

2. Reliant is hit by an energy wave and loses power. Over the next 12 hours they slowly fall towards an M class world, but with no way of stopping an impact. The computer says the world is pre-warp, though the data is very out of date for this sector. The impact of the Reliant will devastate the world- will Captain Terrell activate the self-destruct even though his Chief Engineer says he needs more time? As it turns out just as they pass the red line where they have to destruct or devastate the world the Reliant's systems are restored and she is able to stabilise and leave. In a epilogue moment seen from the surface the population have been tracking Reliant as a harbinger of Doom...

3. On Starbase 7 Reliant's crew play soccer against the local Starbase crew, only to face accusations of cheating by letting strong/fast aliens like Xon or XXXX play. A row breaks out about the issue. Its a take on space racism and in the end points out its absurdities.

4. Ahead of the Regula assignment Reliant is inspected. A background Lt we have seen all series is clearly nervous and hiding something. Turns out he has a Tribble, which are now classified as a WMD. Can the crew get rid of it before the inspectors find it...
I was waiting a day to respond to this because yesterday was the 4th of July in the States.

Reagan is going to broadcast a commercial with the family of the secretary that was killed in the car accident with Ted Kennedy. We'll see whether that works for him or not.

Ricardo Montalban will get that Supporting Actor nomination. Will he win? Same question for James Horner and the cinematographer for Wrath of Khan...

Long running film series or franchises were unheard of back then. It was assumed that you'd make two, maybe three movies, and that was it. Star Trek was actually the first movie franchise to get to four, five and six movies IRL. Sequels always got the short shrift from critics because they were not believed to be original concepts. So when Nimoy said Star Trek II could be the last movie, it was true in 1981 IRL and it's still true ITTL, despite earlier ITTL Douglas Cramer saying the Trek cast could make six movies together...

Tom Bradley will narrowly win the 1982 California governor's race (he lost narrowly IRL), so the mayor of LA becomes a vacant position. Therefore, they have to hold a special election to fill the mayor of LA, and Takei will run, having been a member of the LA city council ITTL.

Scotty is knocked out temporarily in Wrath of Khan due to the conditions down in engineering so that's not really a change from OTL.

Excelsior will start in 1994 or so, Takei (Sulu) will be captain until the 1997-1998 season, then Koenig (Chekov) will take over as captain for a year or two when Takei goes into national politics (runs for Senate) or runs for governor of California.

They can't use the Amazing Grace footage because that spoils the end of the movie. You know someone died. They can use the "I will and always shall be your friend" because that could be in any part of the movie, because the audience knows the Kirk-Spock relationship.

The idea for Spock's World as Star Trek V is in pre-production in my brain, but I'm thinking that it will be a Sherlock Holmes mystery, a whodunit.

Major television stations in the US broadcast all day, so Paramount TV will need a morning show like NBC's Today or ABC's Good Morning America, some game shows like The Price is Right, soap operas in the early afternoon, and news programming at 5 and 6 PM. Since this is Paramount's first year as a network they aren't going to have all their programming set yet. You can't expect awesomeness right out of the bat in all phases in year 1 of a television show, let alone an entire network.

I'll take the Reliant plots into account. The next update will be the premiere of Paramount TV network on September 8, 1980, with a two-hour episode of Star Trek: Reliant. This is intentional because September 8, 1966 is the first air date of the original Star Trek series.
 
Chapter 151: September 1980
In this update, the Paramount Television Network launches, we get episode updates for Star Trek: Reliant with brief plots and synopses, and President Reagan launches a very controversial television advertisement against Senator Kennedy.

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PARAMOUNT TELEVISION NETWORK LAUNCHES WITH STAR TREK RELIANT

September 9, 1980

Fourteen years after the launch of the first Star Trek series, a miniseries, Star Trek: Reliant, became the first television show on Paramount's new television network. Paramount won its time slot against the Big Three networks with its two-hour pilot episode, where Admiral Kirk (William Shatner) and Commander Uhura (Nichelle Nichols), as the admiral's aide de camp, sent the Reliant, captained by Clark Terrell (Paul Winfield) on its mission patrolling the edges of Federation space. Two other regulars from the first Star Trek series, Commander Hikaru Sulu (George Takei) and Lieutenant Commander Pavel Chekov (Walter Koenig) reprise their roles as the Reliant's first officer and science officer, respectively. Chemistry was immediately apparent between the members of the highly diverse cast. "We absolutely love working together on this show," Winfield said. "The other cast members who haven't done Star Trek are enjoying their roles." The new members of the cast include communications officer Lieutenant Veronica Garvin (Alfre Woodard), Dr. Jabilo M'Benga (Booker Bradshaw), chief engineer Santiago Arias (Edward James Olmos) and ship counselor Helen Noel (Marianna Hill). In the premiere episode, Klingon colonies in Federation space occupied after Star Trek: The Motion Picture rebel against the Federation, and Captain Terrell must convince them, led by Christopher Lloyd, that the Federation will not threaten their way of life. Klingon vessels infiltrate Federation space to reclaim their colonies, and the Reliant fights them off.


STAR TREK RELIANT EPISODE UPDATES

EPISODE 1: SHARED VALUES (Air date: September 8, 1980). Admiral Kirk and Commander Uhura launch the Reliant's mission. Clark Terrell is assigned to assist Klingon colonies who are having difficulty adjusting to life within the Federation after the Federation-Klingon war ended in Federation annexation of Klingon territory. The Klingon colonists are led by Kruge, played by Christopher Lloyd. Initially, Kruge calls for backup from the Klingon Empire, in violation of the treaty, in order to repel the Reliant and reclaim the territory for the Empire. The Reliant fights off the two Klingon D7 battlecruisers and Kruge is forced to sue for peace. Terrell offers Kruge a deal: The Federation will still claim the territory and oversee the colony, but the Klingons are allowed to maintain their way of life as long as they do not threaten other planets in the Sherman sector. Kruge grudgingly accepts the deal, but is disgusted by seeing the flag of the Federation fluttering in the breeze above his homeworld. However, Kruge's wife, Valkris, persuades Kruge not to declare war on the Federation, because dying needlessly is dishonorable. Kruge reluctantly agrees, but vows revenge on Terrell and Kirk.

EPISODE 2: RETURN TO MIRI (Air date: September 16, 1980). We see the kids from Miri, all grown up. Two of them (William Shatner's daughters) are in Starfleet, but having difficulty adjusting to life in the fleet. Sulu and Dr. Noel must help them become proper Starfleet officers. The rest of the children, now adults, are afflicted by another disease similar to the one in Miri. Dr. M'Benga must find a cure to the disease before the Reliant crew is affected. However, none of the adults want to volunteer. Sulu convinces the two Starfleet officers (Shatner's daughters) to submit to Dr. M'Benga's experiments despite their objections. The Reliant is saved because only one of them had antibodies to the illness.

EPISODE 3: SCARS OF WAR (Air date: September 23, 1980). Captain Terrell and Commander Sulu are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder after the combat in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and the Reliant premiere. Terrell is experiencing nightmares that cause him to stop sleeping and affect his ability to command. Dr. Noel must counsel Terrell and Sulu back to health. In the meantime, there is a distress call on Archanis IV near the Klingon Neutral Zone that Terrell must respond to. Will Terrell fight the Klingons again or will he decide not to place the Reliant at risk? It is discovered that the Klingon commander, Krell, is also sick of war and is suffering from similar psychological effects. Terrell, Sulu and Krell share their experiences of war and discuss how it has affected them and their families back home. The Klingons promise not to encroach on Archanis IV again.

EPISODE 4: SULU'S DILEMMA (Air date: September 30, 1980). Sulu receives an ultimatum from his wife back on Earth: Return to Earth or the marriage is over. Sulu considers resigning from Starfleet after a distinguished career, but Chekov persuades him not to leave the service, because they have virtually been brothers for over a decade. Sulu is torn, because he loves his daughter Demora and fears that he will never see her again. However, Sulu chooses to remain in the service, choosing Chekov and his career over his family. His wife is distraught, and they separate, but the wife promises Hikaru that he can still speak to Demora on a daily basis. We see a very emotional George Takei throughout this episode constantly flip-flopping between his family and career, and it's a major development for Takei's character.


REAGAN AIRS CONTROVERSIAL CHAPPAQUIDDICK AD

September 17, 1980

President Reagan, struggling in the polls against Senator Ted Kennedy due to a poor economy and the intransigence of Iran in respect to the hostage situation, has launched a controversial attack against Kennedy. The thirty second television spot depicts a member of Mary Jo Kopechne's family blaming Kennedy for her death, and implores the viewer to vote against Kennedy because he committed negligent manslaughter. Senator Kennedy immediately denounced the ad. "This is gutter politics, lower than anything we have seen in the history of this country," Kennedy said at a rally in California. "President Reagan is a failure on the economy and in foreign affairs, and he has no solutions for the American people. So he attacks me. I behaved responsibly at Chappaquiddick eleven years ago, and everybody, including President Reagan, knows it." President Reagan's campaign manager, John Sears, laughed at Senator Kennedy's response. "Kennedy actually believes he behaved responsibly? He ran from the scene and he'll run from his duties as President if he's elected," Sears said. "The Democrats nominated an irresponsible man as leader of their party and they deserve to pay the price." Kennedy took a lead in the polls, 50 percent to 46 percent, before the ad aired. "We knew that the Chappaquiddick attacks would come from Reagan," pollster and political pundit Louis Harris said to the Post. Now it's time for us to see if the Senator can defend himself adequately."
 
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So I was lucky. Before I was scheduled to travel, I gave everyone an update. I didn't think I'd be able to write one until tomorrow
 
"President Reagan is a failure on the economy and in foreign affairs, and he has no solutions for the American people. So he attacks me. I behaved responsibly at Chappaquiddick eleven years ago, and everybody, including President Reagan, knows it."
Yeah, while I agree with Kennedy about Reagan, he did leave the scene of an accident and that contributed to his passenger, Mary Jo Kopechne's, death, IMO...
 
Long running film series or franchises were unheard of back then. It was assumed that you'd make two, maybe three movies, and that was it. Star Trek was actually the first movie franchise to get to four, five and six movies IRL. Sequels always got the short shrift from critics because they were not believed to be original concepts. So when Nimoy said Star Trek II could be the last movie, it was true in 1981 IRL and it's still true ITTL, despite earlier ITTL Douglas Cramer saying the Trek cast could make six movies together...

They can't use the Amazing Grace footage because that spoils the end of the movie. You know someone died. They can use the "I will and always shall be your friend" because that could be in any part of the movie, because the audience knows the Kirk-Spock relationship.

The idea for Spock's World as Star Trek V is in pre-production in my brain, but I'm thinking that it will be a Sherlock Holmes mystery, a whodunit.

Major television stations in the US broadcast all day, so Paramount TV will need a morning show like NBC's Today or ABC's Good Morning America, some game shows like The Price is Right, soap operas in the early afternoon, and news programming at 5 and 6 PM. Since this is Paramount's first year as a network they aren't going to have all their programming set yet. You can't expect awesomeness right out of the bat in all phases in year 1 of a television show, let alone an entire network.

I'll take the Reliant plots into account. The next update will be the premiere of Paramount TV network on September 8, 1980, with a two-hour episode of Star Trek: Reliant. This is intentional because September 8, 1966 is the first air date of the original Star Trek series.

Was StarTrek the first franchise to get that many? The Planet of the Apes series is eariler? Though they do go down in quality a lot as time goes on....

I was not thinking of the crying during Amazing Grace footage for the trailer, but for in the movie itself.

Be interesting if a British soap like Emmerdale Farm was dropped into a PTV slot in the afternoon to fill the time and then did well. News at One, Six and Ten?

PTV will produce some interesting butterfiles regarding soaps, game shows, and adveertising across the networks though.

Reliant seems to be off to a decent start episode wise. Be nice if Krell turns up again and remains friendly with Terrell and the Reliant crew- perhaps he gets remembered for a certain Klingon's family line when a new show is being produced later or maybe even moves to those UFP Klingon planets once Kruge 'moves on'...

That attack ad was a mistake Regan, esp since you promised "We will conduct this campaign with the utmost of sincerity and decency," only a few weeks ago!

Hope you had a good 4th July.
 
Was StarTrek the first franchise to get that many? The Planet of the Apes series is eariler? Though they do go down in quality a lot as time goes on....

I was not thinking of the crying during Amazing Grace footage for the trailer, but for in the movie itself.

Be interesting if a British soap like Emmerdale Farm was dropped into a PTV slot in the afternoon to fill the time and then did well. News at One, Six and Ten?

PTV will produce some interesting butterfiles regarding soaps, game shows, and adveertising across the networks though.

Reliant seems to be off to a decent start episode wise. Be nice if Krell turns up again and remains friendly with Terrell and the Reliant crew- perhaps he gets remembered for a certain Klingon's family line when a new show is being produced later or maybe even moves to those UFP Klingon planets once Kruge 'moves on'...

That attack ad was a mistake Regan, esp since you promised "We will conduct this campaign with the utmost of sincerity and decency," only a few weeks ago!

Hope you had a good 4th July.
Planet of the Apes was earlier, but only the original was a good movie. Superman had 4 movies but the last two were terrible. Star Wars was effectively a three movie franchise until The Phantom Menace in 1999, because the books weren’t made into TV series or movies. Rocky got its 4th movie made in 1985 I believe and then it’s fifth in 1990, and then that series ended until they picked it up with Apollo Creed’s son recently. But multi-movie franchises weren’t common in 1980-1981. Usually it was one movie, maybe a sequel and that was it.

In the RL TWoK trailer I don’t think we see Spock’s funeral but they made an in joke early in the movie about Spock “dying” in the Kobayashi Maru simulator: “Aren’t you dead?”

Local news on a typical American network would be at 6 AM, noon, 5 PM, 6 PM, with national news at 6:30 PM and late evening news at 11 PM. There’s usually a good morning show between 7 and 9 AM, followed by talk shows or game shows between 9 AM and noon. Then in the early afternoon between 12:30 PM and 3 PM you’d have a bunch of soap operas for the stay at home wives. 3 PM to 5 PM could be cartoons, educational programming, talk shows or more game shows. Paramount in collaboration with Disney would likely have Disney programming on here for the elementary school set.

Cheers, TNG, Arsenio Hall and a bunch of other series which aired either on Big Three networks or Fox would air on Paramount ITTL.

Krell could be a recurring character. I’m at a loss as to who would play him though, probably a character actor who didn’t mind getting in the makeup. Kruge is obviously to set up Star Trek III and Christopher Lloyd could appear again as well since he’s not a movie star yet in 1980-1981 (he was on Taxi). Reliant will have at least one show that features the secondary cast taking their turn as a lead for an hour. For example, Alfre Woodard’s character or James Edward Olmos’ character will get a star turn for an episode.

The Chappaquiddick ad ITTL could be like the Willie Horton ad in 1988 IRL...maybe it’s not a mistake by Reagan
 
How about Ron Perlman for Krell? He is pre-Beauty and the Beast and was according to wiki was thinking of quitting acting about this time.

A young down on his luck actor sees an ad for auditions for Star Trek, goes along, sure its for a 'creature' but it pays. Wows them at the audition. Its a make up job, but it pays well, so he does it. Except the character is popular so he is asked back a few times. Doors open. Another long series appears- ok its a creature feature again, but he'd be the star Beast....
 
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How about Ron Perlman for Krell? He is pre-Beauty and the Beast and was according to wiki was thinking of quitting acting about this time.

A young down on his luck actor sees an ad for auditions for Star Trek, goes along, sure its for a 'creature' but it pays. Wow them at the audition. Its a make up job, but it pays well, so he does it. Except the character is popular so he is asked back a few times. Doors open. Another long series appears- ok its a creature feature again, but he'd be the star Beast....
Ron Perlman likes Star Trek IRL (was in ST Nemesis) so that definitely works
 
I lost the ability to put a threadmark in. I would have written a new update by now but I'm wondering why I can't put a threadmark into the post...
 
I lost the ability to put a threadmark in. I would have written a new update by now but I'm wondering why I can't put a threadmark into the post...
AH had an update. Might have borked the Threadmarks. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.
 
OK I see what they did. I have to add the threadmark after I post the update. Then I think that update is arriving today
 
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