WI: The Eight Year's War

According to Wikipedia, regarding the 1763 peace:

To the preliminaries of the peace concluded in February 1763, Pitt offered an indignant resistance, considering the terms quite inadequate to the successes that had been gained by the country. When the treaty was discussed in parliament in December of the preceding year, though suffering from a severe attack of gout, he was carried down to the House, and in a speech of three hours' duration, interrupted more than once by paroxysms of pain, he strongly protested against its various conditions. These conditions included the return of the sugar islands (but Britain retained Dominica); trading stations in West Africa (won by Boscawen); Pondicherry, (France's Indian colony); and fishing rights in Newfoundland. Pitt's opposition arose through two heads: France had been given the means to become once more formidable at sea, whilst Frederick had been betrayed.

Pitt believed that the task had been left half-finished and called for a final year of war which would crush French power for good. Pitt had long-held plans for further conquests which had been uncompleted.

From another source:

His speech embraced every topic of objection. He declared... against the preliminary articles of a treaty, which obscured the glories of the war, surrendered the dearest interest of the nation, and sacrificed the public faith by abandoning our allies...

In conclusion, he said the terms met his most hearty disapprobation for he saw in them the seeds of a future war. The peace was insecure, because it restored the enemy to her former greatness... He intended to have spoken to some points relative to Spain, but was unable, and left the house in an agony of pain.

What if Pitt had stayed as effective PM and got his extra year of war? What were his long-planned conquests? What if Frederick had not been abandoned? What if Pitt had been leading the peace talks, and France wasn't offered lenient peace terms Bute gave?
 
Cuba, Guadaloupe the Phillipines and St Domingue (Haiti). Cuba and the Phillipines were certainly occupied as was Guadaloupe. St Domingue was the real prize vthough and would give the British a dominant position in the sugar trade.

Also if Pitt was not dismissed in 1761 then there would be no secret peace talks with the French and no falling out with the Prussians which would probably mean much greater gains for the Prussians in Germany after Freiburg (large parts of saxony?) and for Hannover after Willemstahl (Cassel?) both fought in 1762
 
Cuba, Guadaloupe the Phillipines and St Domingue (Haiti). Cuba and the Phillipines were certainly occupied as was Guadaloupe. St Domingue was the real prize vthough and would give the British a dominant position in the sugar trade.

Also if Pitt was not dismissed in 1761 then there would be no secret peace talks with the French and no falling out with the Prussians which would probably mean much greater gains for the Prussians in Germany after Freiburg (large parts of saxony?) and for Hannover after Willemstahl (Cassel?) both fought in 1762

A land attack on New Orleans was also planned, but apparently the troops got diverted to taking Cuba. Would they have had time to regroup and take Louisiana with an extra year?

I wonder what points on Spain he was goint to make. Would any Spanish possessions be targeted? Veracruz perhaps?
 
A land attack on New Orleans was also planned, but apparently the troops got diverted to taking Cuba. Would they have had time to regroup and take Louisiana with an extra year?

I wonder what points on Spain he was goint to make. Would any Spanish possessions be targeted? Veracruz perhaps?

Essentially it's two extra years as the war in the Americas wound down after 1762
 
Cuba, Guadaloupe the Phillipines and St Domingue (Haiti). Cuba and the Phillipines were certainly occupied as was Guadaloupe.
If memory serves whilst the British held Manila didn't the local Spaniards hold most of the rest of the Philippines? One major boost at least for the British if the war goes on longer is that they'll actually know about it, apparently the news didn't get back to the government in Europe until after the peace treaty had been signed so it was returned under the general clause of if not specifically mentioned things went back to how they were at the start of the war. If they've got the main cities of both Cuba and the Philippines might they try to keep Cuba in return for the Philippines?
 
If memory serves whilst the British held Manila didn't the local Spaniards hold most of the rest of the Philippines? One major boost at least for the British if the war goes on longer is that they'll actually know about it, apparently the news didn't get back to the government in Europe until after the peace treaty had been signed so it was returned under the general clause of if not specifically mentioned things went back to how they were at the start of the war. If they've got the main cities of both Cuba and the Philippines might they try to keep Cuba in return for the Philippines?

I imagine the reverse would happen. Cuba is crucial for the Spanish South American operation, while Britain has other Caribbean holdings. Whereas with the Philippines, the British would love to get a base in East Asia, while the Spanish would know it's a place that's vulnerable they can't do too much with.
 
Pitt is right that Britain threw away a ton, Britain in 1763 may have been more dominant then any other time in its history. I would imagine expeditions being formed against Cartagena and New Orleans.

The flaw of Pitt's argument, of course, is that there is little else for Britain to target outside of the continent by then. And I don't think Britain had the appetite to decisively intervene on the continent in 1763.
 
I imagine the reverse would happen. Cuba is crucial for the Spanish South American operation, while Britain has other Caribbean holdings. Whereas with the Philippines, the British would love to get a base in East Asia, while the Spanish would know it's a place that's vulnerable they can't do too much with.
A British Philippines? Well that could be interesting to see how it developed.
 
How would a more victorious Britain affect independence-related sentiment in British America?

More war debt may very well lead to more taxation levied against the American colonists in an attempt to get back in the black. Could be enough to accelerate the course of events that occurred IOTL.
 
I think that Pitt administration would lead to a different British response to the revolution. Changing the course of North America, not speeding up the revolution.
 
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