WI: the Dutch are more successful colonially?

that's a large Dutch Guyana
i'm curious about the Caribbean, with such a large and close Guyanan colony along with their existing north american colonies, i think it would be very possible for the dutch to get large parts of the south and eastern Caribbean. Maybe Jamaica, most of the Antilles and if they play their cards right Puerto Rico?

Cannot say really regarding the Caribbean.

An ATL Dutch Guyana would have either resembled the map below (including possibly the Brazilian and Colombian parts of the Guiana Shield) or the above, which include river borders on the Amazon, Rio Negro, Casiquiare and Orinoco though it is difficult establishing to what degree the rivers running parallel to or nearby the Guiana Shield.

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Cannot say really regarding the Caribbean.

An ATL Dutch Guyana would have either resembled the map below (including possibly the Brazilian and Colombian parts of the Guiana Shield) or the above, which include river borders on the Amazon, Rio Negro, Casiquiare and Orinoco though it is difficult establishing to what degree the rivers running parallel to or nearby the Guiana Shield.

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Well what would a Larger dutch Guyana be like, what effects would it have on the south american continent, it would have at max like 2.5 million people unless mass migration occurs there for whatever reason and they'd all be concentrated on the coast.
 
Well what would a Larger dutch Guyana be like, what effects would it have on the south american continent, it would have at max like 2.5 million people unless mass migration occurs there for whatever reason and they'd all be concentrated on the coast.

It could benefit from the rich mineral reserves found in Roraima as it was fought over by the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and English in OTL along with other areas like Amapá (for manganese), etc. Though short of gaining the Guiana Shield / river borders, it probably would not be that much of an important country given the Guianas region was said to be mostly unsuitable for plantations and had a horrible disease environment. Population would roughly be around 4-12 million.
 
It could benefit from the rich mineral reserves found in Roraima as it was fought over by the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and English in OTL along with other areas like Amapá (for manganese), etc. Though short of gaining the Guiana Shield / river borders, it probably would not be that much of an important country given the Guianas region was said to be mostly unsuitable for plantations and had a horrible disease environment. Population would roughly be around 4-12 million.
So would most of the population be concentrated in a few key cities or scattered among lost of smaller ones along the coast and rivers? What would the most likely capital be?
 
It could benefit from the rich mineral reserves found in Roraima as it was fought over by the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and English in OTL along with other areas like Amapá (for manganese), etc. Though short of gaining the Guiana Shield / river borders, it probably would not be that much of an important country given the Guianas region was said to be mostly unsuitable for plantations and had a horrible disease environment. Population would roughly be around 4-12 million.
In OTL Surinam however remained a plantation economy until the second world war. In WW II the Bauxite deposits (aluminium) began to be mass exploited by an American firm. I agree with you that the immigration will be low because of the climate, certainly of Europeans. This will also hamper any early big mining undertakings. Even nowadays the exploitation of golddeposits f.i. is very small scale.
 
So would most of the population be concentrated in a few key cities or scattered among lost of smaller ones along the coast and rivers? What would the most likely capital be?

Again cannot say. Perhaps Manaus based on OTL population (via river borders) or Paramaribo, yet this ATL Dutch Guyana would also include the cities of Boa Vista (Roraima), Cayenne (French Guyana), Georgetown (Guyana), Macapa (Amapa) as well as Puerto Ayacucho, Ciudad Bolivar and Tucupita (Spanish Guyana).
 
Again cannot say. Perhaps Manaus based on OTL population or Paramaribo, yet this ATL Dutch Guyana would also include the cities of Boa Vista (Roraima), Cayenne (French Guyana), Georgetown (Guyana), Macapa (Amapa) as well as Puerto Ayacucho, Ciudad Bolivar and Tucupita (Spanish Guyana).
i see
about what i expected overall with south america, nothing much really changes.
The real interesting stuff would be their other colonies, particularly New Holland (Dutch north america)
 
Given expanding into the Americas requires both breaking Spainish naval Hegemony AND avoiding Brittania ruling the waves, I'd think Iberia getting screwed elsewhere by a power that won't be in competition with the Dutch. Might I suggest a Turkish win in the naval struggle for the centeral Med? A Spain facing a huge naval threat closer to home won't be in as good a position to maintain it's dominance in the Atlantic and allow the Dutch revolt to be more successful/done quicker due to Spain needing to prioritize resources and so allowing them to enter the colonial race earlier and with some surly, poorer, Catholic Flems who might make good settler colonists and greater access to the (Portugese dominated) African Slave Trade to encourage greater development of plantation colonies.
 
Given expanding into the Americas requires both breaking Spainish naval Hegemony AND avoiding Brittania ruling the waves, I'd think Iberia getting screwed elsewhere by a power that won't be in competition with the Dutch. Might I suggest a Turkish win in the naval struggle for the centeral Med? A Spain facing a huge naval threat closer to home won't be in as good a position to maintain it's dominance in the Atlantic and allow the Dutch revolt to be more successful/done quicker due to Spain needing to prioritize resources and so allowing them to enter the colonial race earlier and with some surly, poorer, Catholic Flems who might make good settler colonists and greater access to the (Portugese dominated) African Slave Trade to encourage greater development of plantation colonies.
Seems like a good and plausible PoD, although Spain losing the naval race in the med would affect a lot more than just Dutch colonial ambitions.
 
Seems like a good and plausible PoD, although Spain losing the naval race in the med would affect a lot more than just Dutch colonial ambitions.

True, but the Dutch can't beat Spain, Britain,and France in raw population or production especially since they're the latest arrival to the party. A more contested Med in general is pretty much the only way I can think of for Spain to let her grip slip enough (and likely tie down some French attention too) to leave room for the Dutch to establish a presence and make it stick.
 
True, but the Dutch can't beat Spain, Britain,and France in raw population or production especially since they're the latest arrival to the party. A more contested Med in general is pretty much the only way I can think of for Spain to let her grip slip enough (and likely tie down some French attention too) to leave room for the Dutch to establish a presence and make it stick.
Yep, although wouldn't France be occupied by Britain for a good while, considering french canada? they had some ambitions for the carribean, after all, Haiti exists, but if we throw in some PoD's in there we might be able to quash any ambitions they have.
 
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