Yeah, mega-Austria, perhaps including Bavaria at some point and domination of Bohemia and Moravia. With many more Germans the 15th century boom that Hungary experienced would be that much greater due to Austria being involved and Bohemia falling under its sway. The Germanic influence in the Balkans would be massive and dominating until the Turks show up; things get interesting when they do, as Hungary fought the Turks by themselves until they couldn't and joined Austria, but here the Austrians would be sucked in earlier, so perhaps the Turks never make it to the gates of Vienna?What if the Danube basin (conquered by Charlemagne) stays ruled by Germans rather then Magyars, and then subsequently germanises rather then magyarises (similar to Germany east of the Oder).
What would the results be? Mega-Austria? German domination of the Balkans?
Depends on when exactly. Butterflies from this would be huge.The Carpathian basin would be inhabited by Eastern Germanic speakers and would probably exert dominance over Eastern Europe to the border of the Byzantines, kind of like how Super-Hungary did OTL. They may even become dominate in OTL Southern Germany, while the Saxony would form to the north.
Yeah, mega-Austria, perhaps including Bavaria at some point and domination of Bohemia and Moravia. With many more Germans the 15th century boom that Hungary experienced would be that much greater due to Austria being involved and Bohemia falling under its sway. The Germanic influence in the Balkans would be massive and dominating until the Turks show up; things get interesting when they do, as Hungary fought the Turks by themselves until they couldn't and joined Austria, but here the Austrians would be sucked in earlier, so perhaps the Turks never make it to the gates of Vienna?
HRE includes Hungary here then:
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Depends on when exactly. Butterflies from this would be huge.
You could see a pan-German league of alliances but that's the best scenario I can see.
What if the Danube basin (conquered by Charlemagne) stays ruled by Germans rather then Magyars, and then subsequently germanises rather then magyarises (similar to Germany east of the Oder).
What would the results be? Mega-Austria? German domination of the Balkans?
Well frankly I'd argue that if the Magyars defeated the most likely scenario is that the Germans just get swept out by another tribe (Pechenegs? Cumans?) coming from the steppes at some point. Hungary is decent enough land for a Horde I suppose, and the Germans probably don't have enough people to protect the entirety of the area from a horde.
But assume that Germany germanizes the region (by which you probably mean the urban areas). Can't imagine that the HRE wouldn't create a 'Duchy of Ungarn' to govern the land, though I doubt he'd give the whole of Hungary to one Duke. Despite that the new Duchies would probably be rather unstable, having to control native revolts and everything - which would probably aid in the creation of a powerful warrior class, maybe made up of minor nobles' sons seeking their fortune.
Basically a Germanized Hungary would generate so many butterflies that predicting what would happen in the 12th Century would be problematic enough, not to mention the 15th Century where posters start talking about strong Austria and no Ottoman domination.
The major problem here is that if Germany had had a larger population surplus IOTL to full Hungary or other places in the Esat, it likely would have done so. Where do the people come from?