WI The Chinese or Japanese discovered/colonized The New World?

THEY DIDN'T. Trust me, I am an expertish ont he subject of Chinese colonization of the New Worl OTL and ATL.

Two things:

1. Their is evidence to say that the Native Americans ARE Chinese...at least Mongolioid. As well as other evidence that shipwrecks of East Asian fishing ships did go and crash on the West Coast-but any survivors mixed into the NA population and were overwhealmed geneticly.

2.Ming I think is possibly the earliest you could get with discovering the New World, all the dynasties before hand did not invest much into the sea at all (though eventually the Ming followed this practice as well). The only previous dynasty would be during the 3 Kingdoms periods, the Wu (Possibly discovering either Taiwan or the Ryukyu ((AKA Okinawa)) islands).
 
Hmmm... interesting question. I'm left wondering how the Chinese would treat the Indians living there.

*shrugs* I have heard about the possibility of the Chinese having landed here, at some point, before Columbus, and possibly before the Vikings. But I haven't heard of anything to the degree that 1421 apparently states. All I've heard of, for evidence to support it, is what looks to be old Chinese boat anchors found along those parts. But even THAT had it's skeptics.

But I don't know about the Japanese, it'd probably take some ASB-tom foolery to get them to really care about such things, at that time period. I think they were content to just stick where they were.
 
Neither China nor Japan really had an incentive (or in Japan's case the resources) to try and colonize the Americas. China got all of the exploration it wanted with Zheng He's travels, and then looked inward, while Japan was pretty much isolationist and for hundreds of years, the construction of blue-water ships was strictly prohibited.

But if Zheng He had taken a different turn and had somehow managed to land at the Americas, the chinese would probably just be disappointed by the lack of Native civilization in california to give tehm tribute, and would have jsut left. If they find some reason to stay, they probably will leave within a few hundred years. Otherwise you'll just have a chinese popoulation in California like we do today.
 
Neither China nor Japan really had an incentive (or in Japan's case the resources) to try and colonize the Americas. China got all of the exploration it wanted with Zheng He's travels, and then looked inward, while Japan was pretty much isolationist and for hundreds of years, the construction of blue-water ships was strictly prohibited.

But if Zheng He had taken a different turn and had somehow managed to land at the Americas, the chinese would probably just be disappointed by the lack of Native civilization in california to give tehm tribute, and would have jsut left. If they find some reason to stay, they probably will leave within a few hundred years. Otherwise you'll just have a chinese popoulation in California like we do today.

In my Timeline I do sure give them a reason to stay. I crush the Neo-Confuscists and give power tot he Merchants and Eunuchs. They don't 'colonise' persay, a few outposts on the West Coast but for the most part they do make a Heganomic Empire out of the various Native American groups. What really brings themover in part is Gold and Silver in California as well as trade witht he larger Empires of the Aztecs and Incas.
 
Urusai[InFi];2249261 said:
Right, Confucianists trading with people's who actively participate in Human sacrifice.

Well thge sacrifice is so the world does not end. Though indeed in my timeline the influence of the Buddhist philiosophy syncrestics with the Pre-Colombian philiosophy and does mellow out the sacrifices and bloodshed to an extent.

Though really, the Far Eastern cultures as wella s American Native ones cared less about evil and good, right and wrong. Enfact, the Aztecs did not havea good or evil at all. Itw as Light and Dark, the people and the Gods had some darker aspects that revolved around death and killing, but also they had light aspects. I point out Tezcatlicopa-He was a Frightening god was a bad tendacy or two but was also a God for the Slaves and upheld Honor and Courage. He also in the Native legends gave up his foot so the world could be created.
 

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Urusai[InFi];2246485 said:
they did, read 1421.
I share the general consensus about that book: that its central thesis is highly dubious at best, and that its methodology is deeply flawed. It's a work of speculation rather than history.

This being said, as is customary whenever the topic of Chinese discovery of America is brought up, I mention my own ATL "The Chinese discover America in 1435".
 
I have no problem with the idea that on occasion some storm blown Japanese or Chinese fishermen washed up on America's shores but IMO Menzies overactive imagination got the best of him. In plain is fact the Japanese and the Chinese had no compelling reason to go exploring for its own sake.
 
Seem there was an article on Americas First Settlers being Japanese. Its from 1895 and was printed in the NY times.

Read the article:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9B06E5D9103DE433A25752C2A9619C94649ED7CF

They say parts of South America were populated by polyniesians and people from SE Asia that arrived by sea.

They brought the Chicken.
An unusual variety of chicken that has its origins in South America is the araucana, bred in southern Chile by Mapuche people. Araucanas, some of which are tailless and some of which have tufts of feathers around their ears, lay blue-green eggs. It has long been suggested that they predate the arrival of European chickens brought by the Spanish and are evidence of pre-Columbian trans-Pacific contacts between Asian or Pacific Oceanic peoples, particularly the Polynesians and South America. In 2007, an international team of researchers reported the results of analysis of chicken bones found on the Arauco Peninsula in south central Chile. Radiocarbon dating indicated that the chickens were Pre-Columbian, and DNA analysis showed that they were related to prehistoric populations of chickens in Polynesia. These results appear to confirm that the chickens came from Polynesia and that there were transpacific contacts between Polynesia and South America before Columbus's arrival in the Americas
 
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