WI: The A4 were more forgiving towards Germany?

What would happen if the A4 were more forgiving towards Germany and allowed them to be United, with OTL borders, under the condition that the only military-like institution they can have are a National guard like the one the US has and that said national guard is to be watched like a nighthawk.
 

Geon

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Unfortunately, I don't think the A-4 could be forgiving given the amount of devastation in Europe following the long version of World War II that Calbear portrayed in his scenario. What we are seeing is effectively the Morgenthau plan on steroids. For Germany to be treated any differently you would have to radically alter the scenario to the point where Germany surrendered or agreed to peace talks long before the Allies set forth on European soil.
 
I've seen the use of "A4" in many contexts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4 but none of them makes sense here. I assume what you means is "the four Allied powers." But what caused them to fail to reach agreement on unifying Germany was not that they were "unforgiving" of Germany, but that each side wanted a united Germany to adopt its own social system. As Stalin told Djilas, "This war is not as in the past; whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. It cannot be otherwise." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin This was of course only approximately true (Stalin did not attempt to impose socialism on eastern Austria, for example) and it is conceivable that the USSR would have agreed to a united, non-Communist Germany in order to prevent the rearming of West Germany (which far outstripped the Soviet zone/GDR in population). There is strong evidence that the famous Stalin note of March 1952 was simply a propaganda move neither expected nor intended to be accepted; but in 1947 there may have been a real chance for German unity, as I note at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...tarised-postwar-germany.426392/#post-15655789 Also, after Stalin's death, not only Beria but Malenkov may have been willing to consider a unified Germany. See my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...lve-the-issue-of-berlin.391803/#post-12607513
 
I've seen the use of "A4" in many contexts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4 but none of them makes sense here. I assume what you means is "the four Allied powers." But what caused them to fail to reach agreement on unifying Germany was not that they were "unforgiving" of Germany, but that each side wanted a united Germany to adopt its own social system. As Stalin told Djilas, "This war is not as in the past; whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. It cannot be otherwise." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin This was of course only approximately true (Stalin did not attempt to impose socialism on eastern Austria, for example) and it is conceivable that the USSR would have agreed to a united, non-Communist Germany in order to prevent the rearming of West Germany (which far outstripped the Soviet zone/GDR in population). There is strong evidence that the famous Stalin note of March 1952 was simply a propaganda move neither expected nor intended to be accepted; but in 1947 there may have been a real chance for German unity, as I note at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...tarised-postwar-germany.426392/#post-15655789 Also, after Stalin's death, not only Beria but Malenkov may have been willing to consider a unified Germany. See my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...lve-the-issue-of-berlin.391803/#post-12607513

Its America, Britain, Austrailia, and Canada the "Atomic 4" Its from Calbears Anglo American Nazi War
 
I've seen the use of "A4" in many contexts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4 but none of them makes sense here. I assume what you means is "the four Allied powers." But what caused them to fail to reach agreement on unifying Germany was not that they were "unforgiving" of Germany, but that each side wanted a united Germany to adopt its own social system. As Stalin told Djilas, "This war is not as in the past; whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. It cannot be otherwise." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin This was of course only approximately true (Stalin did not attempt to impose socialism on eastern Austria, for example) and it is conceivable that the USSR would have agreed to a united, non-Communist Germany in order to prevent the rearming of West Germany (which far outstripped the Soviet zone/GDR in population). There is strong evidence that the famous Stalin note of March 1952 was simply a propaganda move neither expected nor intended to be accepted; but in 1947 there may have been a real chance for German unity, as I note at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...tarised-postwar-germany.426392/#post-15655789 Also, after Stalin's death, not only Beria but Malenkov may have been willing to consider a unified Germany. See my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...lve-the-issue-of-berlin.391803/#post-12607513

The OP should have made this clear, but by A4, he's referring to the Atomic Four from CalBear's AANW timeline. This is essentially a what if question for that timeline.
 
"This is essentially a what if question for that timeline."

............not really. Any sort of leniency was officially out the window once Himmler secured control of the Reich.
 
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