WI Teddy Roosevelt dies in office?

I heard recently he took a fall that was nearly fatal. So, WI he'd died?

For a start:
A delayed progressivism from an assassinated Teddy back when he was VP and then a few more conservative presidents could work. By that point, the means for more secretive lobbying and donations, which would cement corporate interests as a driving elite hyperpluralism behind American government.

And it seems the National Park System would be hampered, if not completely non-existent.

Any other things come to mind?
 
The Presidential succession would depend on the term Roosevelt died in. As the 25th Amendment was not yet in place, Teddy finished his first term with no Vice President. Under the terms of the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, Secretary of State John Hay would have assumed the presidency. Hays politics appear to be broadly similar to McKinley's conservative pro-business standpoint, so you wouldn't have seen the Roosevelt eara of Progressive reforms. You would potentially have seen something similar to OTLs 25th amendment now that two Presidents had died in relatively quick succession. Charles W. Fairbanks, Roosevelt's second term vice-president, was also relatively conservative, but by 1905 Teddy had already made significant progress through antitrust legal cases and his conservation policies.
 
I wish I could say when. I only caught the end of an interview on a new book that mentions it, but not the writer or title.:oops:
 
I heard recently he took a fall that was nearly fatal. So, WI he'd died?

For a start:


And it seems the National Park System would be hampered, if not completely non-existent.

Any other things come to mind?

Here's an interesting scenario: TR lives past 1919 and wins in 1920. But he dies sometime prior to the 1924 election. This probably leaves a Midwestern conservative in charge throughout the rest of the 1920s.
 
The closest TR came to dying as president AFAIK was in September 1902 in Pittsfield, MA:

"After the assassination of President William McKinley, the Secret Service was given the task of presidential protection. Craig was killed on September 3, 1902, when a speeding trolley car rammed into the open horse-drawn carriage carrying President Theodore Roosevelt in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. Also in the car were Massachusetts governor Winthrop M. Crane and presidential assistant George B. Cortelyou. The President received only superficial cuts and bruises." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Craig_(Secret_Service)

"As his heir apparent mused later, it might also have been a national tragedy. John Hay calculated that Roosevelt had escaped death by just two inches. "Had the trolley car struck the rear hub instead of grazing it and crashing into the front wheel ... Crane and the President would have been tossed to the left and under the car just as poor Craig was."" https://books.google.com/books?id=qhxsfRd5EVIC&pg=PA142

And would President John Hay run in 1904? He was already in poor health and died on July 1, 1905...
 
The closest TR came to dying as president AFAIK was in September 1902 in Pittsfield, MA:

"After the assassination of President William McKinley, the Secret Service was given the task of presidential protection. Craig was killed on September 3, 1902, when a speeding trolley car rammed into the open horse-drawn carriage carrying President Theodore Roosevelt in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. Also in the car were Massachusetts governor Winthrop M. Crane and presidential assistant George B. Cortelyou. The President received only superficial cuts and bruises." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Craig_(Secret_Service)

"As his heir apparent mused later, it might also have been a national tragedy. John Hay calculated that Roosevelt had escaped death by just two inches. "Had the trolley car struck the rear hub instead of grazing it and crashing into the front wheel ... Crane and the President would have been tossed to the left and under the car just as poor Craig was."" https://books.google.com/books?id=qhxsfRd5EVIC&pg=PA142

And would President John Hay run in 1904? He was already in poor health and died on July 1, 1905...
That sounds like it. Thx.:cool:

Who replaces TR isn't really my interest, as much as what happens without him.
 
Next in the line of succession is the Secretary of the Treasury - Lyman J. Gage through January 31, 1902 and L.M. Shaw from 1902-1907. If it gets to either of them you will have had three presidents die in office in quick succession, which will have to rattle the nation's confidence.
 
Next in the line of succession is the Secretary of the Treasury - Lyman J. Gage through January 31, 1902 and L.M. Shaw from 1902-1907. If it gets to either of them you will have had three presidents die in office in quick succession, which will have to rattle the nation's confidence.
And the 25th Amendment becomes the 16th.
 
It would also affect the Portsmouth Treaty, wouldn't it? If not other foreign policy matters. Not to mention any trust-busting matters.
 
Hay would resign the position of Secretary of State to become president, but it would take a while for a new secretary of state to be confirmed. If Hay dies during thiss period, the presidency passes to the Secretary of the Treasury.
 
Hay would resign the position of Secretary of State to become president, but it would take a while for a new secretary of state to be confirmed. If Hay dies during thiss period, the presidency passes to the Secretary of the Treasury.

So the SoT only gets it if Hay dies within a few days or at most weeks of his succession.

A special Session of the Senate (if it isn't sitting already) to confirm the new SoS shouldn't take all that long to arrange.
 
The best bet for a new Secretary of State is Alvey A. Adee, he had long served as second assistant secretary of state and had by then already acted as acting secretary of state on two occasions, during the Spanish American war and during a period of illness for Hay during the Boxer Rebellion.
 
I heard recently he took a fall that was nearly fatal. So, WI he'd died?

Ah, maybe this is what you had in mind. From John Hay's journal:

"October 23 [1904]. The President came in this morning badly bunged about the head and face. His horse fell with him yesterday and gave him a bad fall. It did not occur to me till after he had gone that I had come so near a fatal elevation to a short term of the Presidency. Dei avertite omen!*"...

"November 3. The President's fall from his horse, ten days ago, might have been very serious. He landed fairly on his head, and his neck and shoulders were severely wrenched. For a few days there seemed a possibility of meningitis. But he is strong and well-knit, and the spine escaped injury. I am thankful to have escaped a four months' troubled term of the Presidency. Strange that twice I have come so hideously near it — once at Lenox [a reference to the 1902 Pittsfield mishap I discussed above--DT] and now with a hole-in-a-bridge. The President will of course outlive me, but he will not live to be old." https://archive.org/details/lifelettersofjoh02inthay/page/356
 
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Ah, maybe this is what you had in mind. From John Hay's journal:

"October 23 [1904]. The President came in this morning badly bunged about the head and face. His horse fell with him yesterday and gave him a bad fall. It did not occur to me till after he had gone that I had come so near a fatal elevation to a short term of the Presidency. Dei avertite omen!*"...


23 Oct would be too late for the Republicans to find a totally new candidate, so (assuming Hay doesn't want an elected term) presumably it's President Fairbanks on March 4.
 
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